@signalapp It's not #disinfo when one points out that you demand #PII aka. #PhoneNumbers from Users and that is literally a architectural vulnerability, alongside your #proprietary & #Centralized #Infrastructure.

• #Signal being a #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider #Solution is literally the reason why I consider it #insecure.

Not to mention the lack of @torproject / #Tor support with an #OnionService or the willingness to fulfill #cyberfacist "Embargoes" or shilling a #Shitcoin #Scam named #MobileCoin!

• #KYC is the illicit activity!!!

And don't get me started on the #cyberfacism that is #CloudAct.

• If you were secure, criminals would've used your platform so hard, it would've been shutdown like #EncroChat and #SkyECC.

I may nit have allvthe.evidence yet, but #Signal stenches like #ANØM: #Honeypot-esque!

@jrredho @walkinglampshade @fj

Don't 'splain me, m8!

Their figleaf exuses are not legitimate and @signalapp's @Mer__edith knows that...

• After all, @monocles doesn't require any #PII at all and they are in fact sustainable as in not requiring #donations, since they are user-financed (subscription)...

Read criticisms before commenting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M

• #KYC (of any kind, including #PhoneNumbers) IS THE ILLICIT ACTIVITY!*

@fj I still think @signalapp has fundamental flaws like demanding #PII (#PhoneNumbers can't be obtained anonymously around the globe and are trivial to track down to devices and thus users), being subject to #CloudAct as an unnecessary & 100% avoidable risk as well as #Shitcoin-#Scam shilling (#MobileCoin) and it's #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider nature that makes it inferior to real #E2EE with #SelfCustody like #PGP/MIME & #XMPP+#OMEMO!

@licho @osman provide evidence the code @signalapp released is actually being deployed.

• Whereas @monocles has #ReproducibleBuilds to the point that @fdroidorg literally pulls their git and builds it from source.

Not to mention pushing a #Shitcoin-#Scam (#MobileCoin) disqualifies #Signal per very design!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M

• Given the collection of #PII like #PhoneNumbers, the ability to restrict functionality based off those and the fact that #Signal is subject to #CloudAct make it inherently not trustworthy.

And don't even get me started on the fact.it's not sustainable to run it as a #VCmoneyBurningParty!

• As soon as Signal becomes a problem, it will be taken offline, and due to the fact that it is #centralized, #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider that's trivial for authorities.

Same as identifying users: They already got a #PhoneNumber which in many juristictions one can't even obtain without #ID legally, thus making it super easy to i.e. find and locate a user. Even tze cheapest LEAs can force their local M(V)NOs to #SS7 a specific number...

• All these are unnecessary risks, that could've been avoided, but explicitly don't even get remediated retroactively!

Again: Signal has a #Honeypot stench, and you better learn proper #E2EE, #SelfCustody and #TechLiteracy because corporations can't pull the 5th [Amendment] on your behalf!

@osman, no because @signalapp is a #proprietary, #centealized, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solution that demands #PII like #PhoneNumbers for no valid reason, is subject to #CloudAct and only continues to exist because it's convenient as a means to fo #BulkSurveillance and mark it's users as #PeopleOfInterest.

• I'd rather donate to @ccc for running http://jabber.ccc.de and buy a @monocles #subscription instead!

@ckrypto if@signalapp@mastodon.world wasn't complying with #CloudAct, @Mer__edith would be in jail.

Not to mention even if Signal keeps their "#OpenSource" code updated - which is doubtful, NOONE can actually #verify that it's the code you actually use - regardless if #backend / #Server or #client / #App!

• #Signal is as secure as #ANØM, otherwise it would've been shutdown ages ago.

Also if Signal was designed for #security, it would've been #decentralized as #XMPP+#OMEMO and not demand #PII like #PhoneNumbers which oftentimes cannot be obtained anonymously in many juristictions at all!

• Only #MultiVendor & #MultiProvider standards can be secure, regardless if OMEMO or #PGP/MIME.

By comparison, @delta doesn't require any PII, only an #eMail account, and @monocles isn't a #VCmoneyBurningParty but sustainable due to #subscription and they don't even require any personal details for #payment: #CashByMail and #Monero are accepted.

• Not to mention neither #DeltaChat nor #monoclesChat are pandering #Shitcoin #Scams like #MobileCoin that don't work even for #TechLiterate #CryptoBros!

Again: It's Signal alone who have to evidence they are trustworthy, and all I get are "#TrustMeBro!" replies, which means they are not to be trusted.

• Not to mention, it's just not sustainable to run a #service without #revenue, even if it's run entirely by unpaid volunteers and gets all it's #hosting and #costs donated, someone has to pay for expenses due to #abuse of a service (which is an inevitability come mass adoption)...

Whereas with #XMPP I can completely setup my own server and client, even build my own if I don't trust anyone else and pay someone to audit the code.

• Signal as a #centralized, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider service is inevitable vulnerable to #RubberhoseCryptoanalysis, and #Meredith will break if not doing so means jail for life until she does!

Whereas with XMPP & PGP/MIME #eMail I can layer @torproject / #Tor over it, make it an #OnionService and keep that thing under my bed with a literal killswitch...

@Avitus @lispi314 @lauren And if you think @signalapp is gonna defy a duely submitted warrant and doesn't store or;collect any #PII like #PhoneNumbers then you propably;also believe that #LoglessVPN|s are real...

@lauren I disagree as @signalapp requires a #PhoneNumber = #PII & cost barrier and they restrict access based off #PhoneNumbers.

• Plus it's illegal in an increasing number if juristictions to gmeven attempt to acquire a phone number or SIM anonymously.

Whereas it's so easy and fast to get #TechIlliterates setup with #XMPP+#OMEMO (which uninke #Signal doesn't demand PII!) that I'd challenge you to a #speedrun with step-by-step documentation for every #TechIlliterate to follow along to setup Signal from scratch vs. me doing #XMPP+#OMEMO on @monocles @gajim.

• Cuz I did that on @cryptoparty / #CryptoParty / #CryptoParties quite often.

Also #Signal being #centralized makes it as vulnerable as any other #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solution!

• Whereas even if #monocles were to shutdown, one could easily switch over to any other provider or #SelfHosting.

I'd not count on the #Trump-Regime not flexing #CloudAct against anyone they deem undesireable!

@lauren no, because @signalapp is subject to #CloudAct (= incompatible with #GDPR & #BDSG if you ever care!) and collects #PII in the firirm of #PhoneNumbers, which are at best pseudonymous but trivial to track and at most means that people inviting others without their consent comitted an illegal disclosure if PII!

• Use real #E2EE with #SelfCustody of all the keys that isn't a #proprietary #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solution that peddles a #shitcoin #scam!

Give #XMPP+#OMEMO a shot: @monocles / #monocles & @gajim / #gajim.

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@Beggarmidas @Em0nM4stodon #Govware aside, I think @signalapp 's #architecture of being a #centralized, #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider "solution" that.collects #PII like #PhoneNumbers will bite it in it's rear, cuz I'd not count on @Mer__edith not breaking when facing life in prison under torturous conditions (by European Standards).

• Whereas @monocles / #monoclesChat, @gajim / #gajim and other #XMPP+#OMEMO clients do real #E2EE with #SelfCustody of all the keys!

@ck @sven222 @kuketzblog problem is @signalapp is a #Centralized, #Proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solution that falls under #CloudAct and demands #PII in the form of #PhoneNumbers.

• So even if we'd agree that #XMPP+#OMEMO as implememented in @monocles / #monoclesChat & @gajim / #gajim is bad (and #PGP/MIME over XMPP isn't good either) there are still better options than #Signal (i.e. @delta / #deltaChat which uses PGP/MIME & #IMAP-Push aka. #eMail) that don't require a #PhoneNumber, allow #SelfHosting and are truly #OpenSource with an #OpebStandard that allows for real #E2EE as in #SelfCustody of all the #Keys.

Cuz all the #advertising of Signal is close to #TrustMeBro and I'd not trust in @Mer__edith to risk jail for users!

• But you do you...

@tauon

1) #CloudAct is just #CyberFacism, look it up!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

• And with #Trumpism ravaging the #USA must be considered as #hostile as #Russia and the "P.R." #China by anyone who takes #OpSec, #InfoSec & #ComSec seriously!

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2) @signalapp 's #Server code is proprietary and since it's centralized we can't trust that the code they release is what's running on their backend!

• Plus their #App doesn't allow #ReproducibleBuilds (if Signal was #FLOSS it would be on @fdroidorg / #Fdroid) but alas it isn't!

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3) #Signal still demands #PhoneNumbers which are #PII either by association (#Number => #ICCID = #SIM = #IMSI => #IMEI => Location Data as I explained beforetwice) or mandatory #KYC / #ID requirements (even on prepaid cards), which an increasing amount of juristictions do...

• They have no "#LegitimateInterest" demanding said #PersonallyIdentifyingInformation to begin with!

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But don't take my word for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M

• Ask yourself if you'd trust someone peddlibg #Shitcoin #Scams like #MobileCoin with your data!

@tauon no, it is not because it is a #Centralized, #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solution subject to #CloudAct that collects #PII like #PhoneNumbers, which makes it inherently less secure, as they are able and willing to restrict access as they please.

@not2b @dangillmor I mean, she's just a #cyberfacist like #Zensursula, and the only correct way to deal with these #facists is to "#EncryptHarder!" (with #XMPP+#OMEMO & #PGP/MIME) and tunnel everything through @torproject / #Tor and setup #OnionServices for everything!

• Remember: #KYC IS THE #IllicitActivity and this goes espechally for requring #PII like #PhoneNumbers, @signalapp / #Signal!

@Haste got any alternative means of secure messaging?

Cuz @signalapp demanding #PII aka. #PhoneNumbers is a big no-go for me and almost all of my contacts...