@calculsoberic Ahh yess! It totally depends on what platform you are I guess. Stuff like Facebook keeps you down the rabbithole once you go a certain way, on the Fedi that is different I noticed
@stux Did you hear Gab was DDoSed yesterday? (or they were offline for a long period of time, at least.)
Their site is written laughably poorly, so they absolutely cannot scale it without fixing their terrible code.
I never really bothered to look at their website until I heard about how bad it was. Now I regularly try to load the front page just to feel schadenfreude when the page fails to load.
When I investigated it, it turns out, they loaded 3700 comments because I clicked in on a post. No pagination. 700KB of comments that I didn't even read.
And every single person who has commented on that thread has loaded the comments. Plus all the people who didn't comment, but maybe wanted to read the first 3 comments.
@rune Whaha! For a while they also didn't had auto-refresh so you needed to reload the page for new posts etc
@stux @rune Yeah I'm glad that I'm not the only one doing this for fun.
Pretty funny that the only things people give them praise for, like the multitasking layout, are all code copied from Mastodon and that's how the who thing feels, like someones school project, built by putting together code one was able to find elsewhere, with some edits to make it barely work together.
I was also going theatre to laugh at Andies egotistical pics, where he paints himself as some kind of a biblical hero.
@rune @stux From what I can tell Gab TV was mostly presented as a YouTube alternative, except you have to pay for the premium Gab membership to get your own channel there. So they probably hope that you'll find the 999 identical videos about "election fraud" entertaining enough to dump your cable tv and just watch them rant all day every day.
@stux @rune Yeah that too, can't imagine joining a social network where you have to pay 15$ a month for the privilege of being able to use half of the things or even being verified.
But also on the topic of Gab TV and video on Gab, I love how broken that is, it never even shows how long the videos are, it shows as 00:01, but than they talk for an hour and some of them don't even play on mobile at all. Really promising product.
It's still hit and miss whether it loads at all. And the user experience is horribly broken with 8-30 seconds load time being pretty normal.
I'm having a really hard time convincing myself. Both due to the functionality and look being so different, but also just the html code in my browser is so foreign that it's hard to tell if is the fork.
That being said I haven't spent a lot of time investigating it, so you may be right.
@rune I'm not positive if it's the code from the masto fork, but I'm sure it would be easy to find out. What browser are you using? Lynx?
@calculsoberic I'm just comparing html content and network request made by both frontends in the Firefox devtools.
@toast @aetios @stux I think there's even more to it. The story comes down to conflict between Technocrats and Traditionalists, and a scapegoat was created. The Technocrats in this story value the Traditions LESS than safety/contractual agreements/etc, and that signaled a lack of loyalty to the town's Traditions.
The tech community often misunderstands this about our users. We underestimate the costs of change and the message that change sends to a stakeholder.
It's not right that this happened, and I'm not sure how easily it could have been avoided. If the Technocrats in this scenario had found a way to keep the Tradition while dotting I's and crossing T's, minority groups would have received a different message and would have been similarly harmed.
Managing multiple stakeholders with diverse interests is hard ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@lanodan @stux @hj @Hyolobrika One of the big flaws in the mainstream press is that they often have to return to regular sources for continuing information, and they can't displease those sources and get cut off. The most egregious example is the police, who dole out large amounts of crime drama every day, and are completely needed for the production of the media product. In the attached articles (pasted together in one paste), Bernie Najarian looks into a case where a police force called the US Postal Inspection Service apparently simply fabricated over 300 'rescued children' in a marginal porn bust, and media worldwide parroted this tale even though dozens of them had received information proving from court documents that it was bunk. https://justpaste.it/7ebrd
It feels like the internet is a lot healthier when you pause before sharing or reacting to anything, I mean literally never doing instant shares or instant likes or instant comments.
Even a few minutes thinking time can help you avoid falling into the 😡 trap, not just about politics but things in general.
It would be interesting if there was a fork of Mastodon where you literally couldn't interact with a post for a few minutes after you've first seen it.
It's like instant reactions on social media bypass our intellectual capacity, channel some kind of primitive violent rage from before we evolved proper brains.
It would be interesting if toxicity/health of a community was optimized by social media companies as much as they optimize for engagement.
@peder @feditips @stux You could also have a third group, testing the EUNOMIA project, if that is still a thing. I red about it on the Mastodon blog, and found it pretty interesting. A lot of the times it'd probably help to just see the origin of the information as well as opinions from multiple sources, it'd also make a lot of people think about it more, before they share it.
They would make no money from health so a for-profit organisation would never do this. It would have to be some kind of outside monitoring and regulation.
Also a lot of users (most users?) wouldn't want a delay like this, so there's danger of self-selection (people who want delay being more thoughtful anyway?).
Perhaps a basic problem of the internet that it allows instant information retrieval and transmission, depriving us of the healthy thinking time from older media :(
There's a very helpful tutorial on YouTube..DingDash tutorial. It is not long , it helps getting you started.
@stux I like it. We don’t need a big company to fact-check for us, but we do need to THINK for ourselves.
@stux: Before dropping off FB I used to push the idea that for any post that someone would share to also find an additional source from a traditional (FOX would count too) source that gave detail. My conservative friends hated this idea and one common thread was, "but I don't have the TIME to search google for the same story. And I can't find it most of the times." That should be their clue but they seem to not think that means it was false because it fits their narrative.
@stux F*@# Yes! It's not that hard to do either. The world would actually be a much healthier and safer place of everyone were to check their facts before sharing. This should be taught in schools like they do in Finland, I believe.
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