One clear sign of how ignorant and immature the college protesters are is how they all don't seem to want to be held accountable for the crimes they committed.
I wish that our U.S. campuses would at least still assign students to read MLK's Letter from a Birmingham jail, and Thoreau's essay on Civil Disobedience.
I think these protesters have failed the guidelines of: collection of the facts to determine whether injustices exist; negotiation; self-purification; and effective direct action.
#PierceMorgan gets eviscerated by Prof. #MuhammadMirandi from #Teheran, previously a top-notch adviser to #Iran's nuclear negotiations team.
Everyone should try to take a 1930's perspective and mentally substitute #Israel by the #ThirdReich or #Mussolini's #Italy and Iran by an opposing Allied Power like the UK or the US.
After listening to this debate, the West's, including Israel's, position doesn't have that much standing anymore.
@HistoPol
I haven't been convinced based on the evidence that I've seen that I can agree with the argument that the Iranian professor starts out asserting as fact so I'm not going to watch the other 25 minutes.
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Too bad.
In this case, I find the whole counter argument very insightful.
Israel is, indeed, an apartheid state and the war crimes committed by it, e.g. the direct hit on the help convoy, etc., would have disqualified any other country from the West's help but Israel.
The moral yardstick is, even by well-meaning minds, so obviously different when it comes to Israel as to give representatives from authoritarian...
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...states a real semblance of justified grievance. This must STOP.
President Biden was right to halt the delivery of offensive weapons to #Israel.
This can be but a first step.
#Netanyahu has for decades been a grand master of letting US presidents look like school boys when informing them, often after the fact, of aggressive actions against its neighbors or #Palestinians. This must STOP. If Israel wants to be an equal nation,...
#Netanyahu has for decades been a grand master of letting US presidents look like school boys
Don't leave out AIPAC, which has dominated both American political parties. AIPAC courts the GOP but let's not forget that a former Dem party chair was Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, foursquare in support of the Zionist project.
@claralistensprechen3rd @HistoPol
That's what I mean by not B & W.
Ideals are great except when sticking to them too fastidiously cause the "good" guys to lose the overall war.
For example in this situation, if we abandon Israel that could result in making that region into a new Iranian radical Islamist caliphate with strong ties to Moscow. I don't believe that avoids the most human nor environmental suffering so I oppose that course of action for greater good even if I don't like doing it.
@HistoPol I agree with you in principle, @GreenFire , but much more extensive study of the situation is warranted because you said this:
For example in this situation, if we abandon Israel that could result in making that region into a new Iranian radical Islamist caliphate with strong ties to Moscow.
...which leaves out the Abraham Accords with Sunni Arab nations that don't like Shiite Iran either. Should Abraham Accord member states successfully evict Iran's Islamists, they could very well install their own favorite Wahab-flavored Islamists which range from the Taliban to ISIS. And it's the Wahab Sunni nations that ARE US allies.
@claralistensprechen3rd @HistoPol
Yeah, I'm well aware of the competition between them plus Erdogan has the desire to form a bigger caliphate as well it seems to me.
Yes, they'll compete, but with Iran's close ties to Putin could provide them with ability to win in battle for Israeli territory. Regardless who wins in their contest though, my hope that there would remain a somewhat democratic bastion in the Middle East might be lost for more than a generation.
You raise a crucial point, Clara. According to a recent extensive @TheEconomist podcast, the Sunni leaders are not really interested in a stable situation in #Israel, as that would endanger their own position. They need the #Palestinians as a destabilizing force.
This reminds me of l British foreign policy from the 16th-19rh century pioneered by Henry VIII, when the UK would switch...
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...alliances with Continental European powers so that one would not become predominant. (As Emperor Napoleon's French did until Waterloo and the Congress of Vienna.)
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@HistoPol @claralistensprechen3rd @TheEconomist @GreenFire you mean England
@claralistensprechen3rd @Lassielmr
Thanks, Clara, correct.
What did I mean by "UK" in this context:
I meant...
a) solely the Kingdom of England (but including Wales since 1284 ;)) until 1536,
b) the Kingdom of England and Wales until 1707,
c) The Kingdom of Great Britain until 1801 and, finally, as I was talking about the period before WWI, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (until 1922).
So,...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland
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... "United" in the literal sense only since exactly the start of the 19th century.
It is good idea, though, to revisit this thought (I love the map below :) ), as there have been so many changes over the past milennia.
"Historian #NormanDavies has counted sixteen different states over the past 2,000 years.[1]"
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...has been in this game since the coronation of the first and last #Stuart Queen, Anne, in 1702. ;)
The #BritishEmpire came (arguably) into existence with #QueenElizabethI's permission for #WalterRaleigh to set up a colony in N-America (#RoanokeIsland) 1) and was cemented by the the 1713 #TreatyOfUtrecht which ended the #WarOfTheSpanishSecession, significantly enlarging #GB.
2)
...
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1) https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/z7kvf82/articles/zpjv3j6#z6x6trd
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Utrecht and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire
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Sidenote and Fun Fact:
It is interesting to see that in the 18th century, counting in English was still done in the "Germanic" way:
"ARTICLES
OF
UNION,
Agreed on the Two and twentieth Day of July in the Fifth Year of the Reign of Her..."
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......Nowadays, that should be July twenty-second ("twenty-two").
In present-day German, by contrast, it still is the "zweiundzwanzigste" (the TwoAndTwentieth).
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"For example in this situation, if we abandon Israel that could result in making that region into a new Iranian radical Islamist caliphate with strong ties to Moscow."
I agree. I don't think that going along with #Netanyahu's extremist policies in Gaza is necessary to prevent this, though.
#Israel is part of the West. As is #Hungary. Rogue leaders must be removed without "dumping" their countries.
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I agree with you, Clara, regarding the predilections of #Erdogan. (Interesting, BTW, that you should use the official #Türkiye;))
#Iran could not conquer #Israel.
However, as we can see by its huge production of drones for the #Kremlin, it can cause havoc regarding the region's #infrastructure.
Also, I have read a bit about the technologies it employs (actually...
@GreenFire
https://mastodon.scot/@Lassielmr
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...that question should be directed to a@TheEconomist@press.coop's Defence Editor, #ShashankJoshi, @shashj). 1)
My gut feeling is that, despite it being propaganda, Prof. #MuhammadMirandi's (see post above) assessment of the weaponry employed in the recent mass attack of #Iran contains more than a grain of truth.
In any event, not only #Turkey could have a claim to #Palestine...
@claralistensprechen3rd @GreenFire
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...I took a trip in a virtual time machine in a discussion here. It leads to nowhere.
Historically speaking, #Palestine belongs to no-one and everyone b/c "everyone" has been their at some point in time:
https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/111969398501009885
(Note:
Do look at the linked timeline, the number of empires involved over the course of several thousand years is truly staggering).
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