@dansup See, this is why I think throttling social discovery was a bad idea.
Because it creates this fiction that, just because you can’t find something on Mastodon, you can’t find it elsewhere.
Of course people feel their privacy is violated. And yet, all this time, it wasn’t private from Google and OpenAI.
@atomicpoet @dansup I know I'm in the minority here, and this is a hot take, but I've always thought the popular fediverse opinion on data consent was stupid, and caused a worse user experience. At the end of the day, you are posting on the INTERNET. Sure you can belly ache to fedi devs that care about the community, but unless your posts are behind a secure form of authorization/authentication, any bad actor can just slurp it up and you will be non the wiser.
@wandy_dev @dansup You’re not wrong. The reason why social discovery isn’t broadly a thing in the Fediverse is because devs care about the community, and therefore follow social norms.
But OpenAI and Google do not care about the community, just the data—and are more than happy to slurp it up.
And now the Fediverse must contend with the reality that their posts are searchable outside Mastodon (specifically) but not inside of it.
@atomicpoet @dansup we should be building tools to create better experiences, not griping about #noindex #nobridge and the sort. There will always be people not following the rules. If you care about privacy, don't post PII, and don't post anything you wouldn't mind falling into the hands of big tech. In the age of LLMs they will do everything they can to circumvent any protection implemented by fedi devs and they have way more resources. UX > Fedi social norms 100% of the time IMO.
@atomicpoet @dansup ultimately I believe that the devs can do a lot to make people feel safe, and the tools that they built are amazing and I'm super thankful to every fedi dev. But the person that is most likely to protect data from falling into the wrong hands is the user.
There is no magic bullet for security and every individual needs to hold themselves and themselves alone, personally accountable for their data according to their threat model. No dev can do that for you.
@wandy_dev@mstdn.social @atomicpoet @dansup @wandy_dev@theatl.social
The thing is — I don't think you are in the minority.
I suspect the vast majority of the people on the Fediverse — when they see a discovery tool — either think something like "Oh, cool!" or are indifferent.
I suspect those who are hostile towards and harass the developers of discovery tools are a very, very, very small, intolerant (extreme) minority. Maybe something of the order of 0.000001% or 0.0000001%.
@wandy_dev@mstdn.social @atomicpoet @dansup @wandy_dev@theatl.social
Of course, if you are targeted by some (or all) in this intolerant (extreme) minority — it can feel like the world is again you.
Because you see their negative posts, without any positive posts to offset them.
Even though the vast majority of people don't share the view of the intolerant (extreme) minority.
And the vast majority of people are NOT against you. They either aren't paying attention to the drama, or aren't aware of it.