I don't think people are realising the danger the Fediverse is in.
The only thing stopping corporations and VCs taking over this place is that the Fediverse is spread out on many different servers, which makes it very difficult to purchase.
If most of the Fediverse ends up on mastodon.social, which is now a strong possibility, there will be nothing to stop most of it being sold to Musk or Zuckerberg or whoever.
The bigger mastodon.social becomes, the more likely a buyout is to happen.
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Here's what Eugen Rochko's Mastodon gGmbH organisation now controls:
-The Mastodon server software & API (though the current version is FOSS)
-The mastodon.social server, which has 1 in 7 of all Fediverse users
-The official Mastodon apps, now telling people to just sign up on mastodon.social
-The official website at joinmastodon.org
-The trademark for the word "mastodon", which lets them dictate terms to any server which uses it
This is a tempting package for any potential buyers.
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The trademark alone gives Mastodon gGmbH huge power, it lets them tell any server using the word "mastodon" in its domain name what software or forks it can use.
And it's getting worse. Mastodon gGmbH is now making official apps which direct people to sign up on mastodon.social instead of a random trusted server or choice of trusted servers.
The more people sign up on mastodon.social, the more tempting Mastodon gGmbH becomes as a takeover target.
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With all that in mind, here's a suggestion:
*IF* mastodon.social becomes more than 50% of the Fediverse, either by total users or monthly active users, the rest of us should defederate it.
Sticking with mastodon.social because "that's where the people are" is pointless. Centralised growth will simply cause the governance problems we've seen on Twitter and Facebook to be replicated on here.
Growth has to be decentralised in order to protect the independence of all Fedi servers.
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@feditips How do I switch servers? How do I find a suitable server for me?
@Crookedlilhouse @feditips the fedi tips website contains information on how to switch, and there is a list of servers on https://joinmastodon.org (Mastodon servers only) and https://fedi.garden
@Crookedlilhouse @feditips fedi.directory oops
that's for accounts to follow, can't remember the one was for picking a server
@experiencersinternational @Crookedlilhouse @feditips
Came across this one the other day. Not perfect, but very populated and groups in languages and has a few other parameters you can fiddle with to see if you find something tempting.
https://www.comeetie.fr/galerie/mapstodon/
Personally, I have chosen a server in my own country to call home - because then it is much easier to give some financial support through reliable channels if needed.
@MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips mastodonapp.uk is literally the only UK one that would serve me lol if I was going for region
@MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips fediverse observer was actually a heck of a lot better for more local stuff
idk if that's just the hosting servers though
@experiencersinternational @Crookedlilhouse @feditips
If you mean instances - they are both official mastodon instances.
@experiencersinternational @MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips
That's not true. There are quite a few geographic #FediVerse sites for the U.K., ranging from Glasgow.Social through Mastodon.Scot to Toot.Wales. And those are the big ones. There are further smaller ones like Mastodon.London and Dorset.Social, and more that I won't name here because I know that they are one person hobby outfits and don't need the pressure.
If you want places to look for places, go to https://hueyy.github.io/awesome-mastodon/#server-lists
@JdeBP @experiencersinternational @Crookedlilhouse @feditips
Great tip!
Found this very searchable list in there.
https://instances.social/list#lang=&allowed=&prohibited=&min-users=&max-users=
@JdeBP @experiencersinternational @MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips
Due to the deteriorating legal environment in the #UK, I'd pre-emptively select an #instance in the #EU (though not in #Poland or #Hungary, possibly not #Italy due to the #neofascist #PM, #Meloni), because of the Comunity-law backed #GDPDR Directive.
#Ireland might be a native-language choice.
@HistoPol @experiencersinternational @MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips
Interestingly, a small number of U.K.-looking instances are not, and might be the very things that you'd want.
Mastodon.London is hosted in Germany.
Mastodon.Org.UK is in the Netherlands, according to
@xvilo's blurb.
I'm not sure about Mastodon.UK.Com. It claims to be U.K.-hosted, but the about page says that French/German law applies. No clue from @root's user profile.
@JdeBP @HistoPol @experiencersinternational @MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips @root
Thats correct, mastodon.org.uk is hosted at @transip which is located in the Netherlands
@JdeBP @experiencersinternational @MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips @xvilo @root
I think we might have to differentiate a bit.
I have not registered a URL in quite a while, but the owner or administrator of a country Top-Level Domain is usually a government agency or a government-appointed firm.
That organization could exert pressure on the URL "tenant", i.e. the person owning the (temporary) right of...
@JdeBP @experiencersinternational @MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips @xvilo @root
...use. Due to this, I, personally, would avoid any #TLD from a none-#EU country.
(I admit that as of today, this is overly cautious, but I am taking a worst-case scenario approach.)
As a second step, I have been told that the laws of the country where the server is physically based, are chiefly relevant.
However, paying up...
@JdeBP @experiencersinternational @MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips @xvilo @root
...the remaining rent/ hosting space for the (usually) year, I'd hazards a guess that most hosing companies would let you leave right away, as they can re-let your space on the server.
My point being that there also is the (latent) risk of an instance owner switching the provider and thus possibly the country, too.
However, I...
@JdeBP @experiencersinternational @MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips @xvilo @root
...pretty much doubt that any sensible instance-owner would leave the #GDPDR area, if based there initially, at this point, as this might entail a breech of contract with its users.
On the other hand, if the discussed directive for chat control comes into force, #Switzerland might be an option.
Curious about your ideas and the...
@JdeBP @experiencersinternational @MaryPot @Crookedlilhouse @feditips @xvilo @root
...opinions of people from the pertinent legal profession.
@experiencersinternational @Crookedlilhouse @feditips You can actually have accounts on multiple servers. Many clients offer support for this kind of environment.
@Crookedlilhouse @feditips
After a quick google search, here is a step-by-step guide on how to switch servers: https://nerdschalk.com/change-or-switch-servers-on-mastodon-step-by-step-guide/
If you want to find a server, https://instances.social has basically all of them, and at https://wehavecookies.social we always welcome new users.
@BentiGorlich @Crookedlilhouse @feditips thank you. I am trying to find one that I can move to. I hope I will able to keep all my friends
@kcsorenby @Crookedlilhouse @feditips
As far as I know it should work realatively flawlessly. You should keep all your followers and follows. The only thing thats definatly lost are your posts. They will not move
@BentiGorlich @Crookedlilhouse @feditips so crazy question .., but is there no way to save them somewhere?
@kcsorenby @Crookedlilhouse @feditips
Well, they remain on your old account if you don't delete it
@kcsorenby @BentiGorlich @Crookedlilhouse @feditips are you trying to move from mstdn.social? its a separate server than mastodon.social and administrated by a completely independent team afaik, so i think youre okay if thats the intention.
@edendestroyer @BentiGorlich @Crookedlilhouse @feditips I’m thinking calckey.social.. stranger.social or toots.nu.. suggestion ?
@kcsorenby @BentiGorlich @Crookedlilhouse @feditips Calckey.social is cool, ive communicated with the peeps who moderate it in the past, theyre cool.
@edendestroyer @BentiGorlich @Crookedlilhouse @feditips ok .. thanks.. and I can transfer my friends to there?
@kcsorenby @BentiGorlich @Crookedlilhouse @feditips
It does seem to have a transfer account option, but i havent tried it yet.
@kainoa might be able to guide you better given that they are the developer of calckey.
@edendestroyer @BentiGorlich @Crookedlilhouse @feditips @kainoa ok.. I will try and ask your friend tomorrow then..so I get assistance.
@kcsorenby@mstdn.social @edendestroyer@masto.ai @BentiGorlich@wehavecookies.social @Crookedlilhouse@mastodon.social @feditips@mstdn.social yep, you can transfer your account and bring your followers over. It's the same as migrating a masto account.
@kainoa @feditips @edendestroyer @Crookedlilhouse @BentiGorlich ahh there u are!? ok.. awesome! So .. I will transfer over tomorrow. If I have any problem , I hope I can ask you?
@kainoa @feditips @edendestroyer @Crookedlilhouse @BentiGorlich well.. it’s me againit appears like my sign up did not work.. I was sent verification to my email and pressed got it.. now it’s all just says processing.. and is a frozen screen
@kcsorenby@mstdn.social @feditips@mstdn.social @edendestroyer@masto.ai @Crookedlilhouse@mastodon.social @BentiGorlich@wehavecookies.social weird... can you try clicking on the email again?
@kainoa @feditips @edendestroyer @Crookedlilhouse @BentiGorlich just tried it and it says unexpected token c could not is not valid
@kcsorenby@mstdn.social @feditips@mstdn.social @edendestroyer@masto.ai @Crookedlilhouse@mastodon.social @BentiGorlich@wehavecookies.social oh that's weird, I haven't seen that before... what username did you register it under?
@kcsorenby@mstdn.social @feditips@mstdn.social @edendestroyer@masto.ai @Crookedlilhouse@mastodon.social @BentiGorlich@wehavecookies.social yeah, for whatever reason your account is just showing as invalid in the database, probably a weird glitch... can you try registering with a different username? (if you want to use the same email, just add a +1 to the end of the name, i.e. myself+1@gmail.com)
@kainoa @feditips @edendestroyer @Crookedlilhouse @BentiGorlich ok .. I will try
@kainoa @feditips @edendestroyer @Crookedlilhouse @BentiGorlich tried. It shows the same text .
@kainoa @feditips @edendestroyer @Crookedlilhouse @BentiGorlich I have tried 3 times
@kcsorenby@mstdn.social @feditips@mstdn.social @edendestroyer@masto.ai @Crookedlilhouse@mastodon.social @BentiGorlich@wehavecookies.social 3 times with the same username or different usernames each time?
@Crookedlilhouse @feditips Hi- here’s an overview about how to find servers:
@Crookedlilhouse join #SMUG! SmugglersBBS.com
@Crookedlilhouse @feditips
Honestly, what I did myself was hang out a couple months on mastodon.social and see where my friends/interests where.
It was a bit painful to not be able to export my posts but technically are still available.
In general it depends what you're looking for in mastodon (which is difficult unless you've been here a bit ). Some people prefer "thematic servers" where people of the same trade/interests go to "talk shop", others prefer more general ones.