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stux⚡

Uh.. well, super cool you like the arrest warrend against Putler, Mr. Biden but how about recognizing the International Criminal Court instead of giving a compliment

It feels a bit like everyone pats the ICC but when they look away they start laughing :blob_derpy:

But the International Criminal Court is only interesting when you can use it against other countries ofc :ablobwink:

Not if it applies to you also

@stux I find it ironic that ICC is so powerful and important that Pentagon does not like them one bit - for good reason.

@peteriskrisjanis haha indeed!

They're afraid they also get to court..

And for good reasons

@stux Iraq adventure gonna haunt USA for long time. No matter of intentions.

@stux The United States failure to join the ICC is an enduring reminder of the failings of the US Govt, writ large. The reality is that many elite US politicians would have been charged by the ICC during the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan for human rights abuses and potentially for the illegal detentions in Guantanamo. So, rather than face litigation we elected keep the ICC largely toothless. The world is worse for it.

@stux The reasoning usually trotted out by politicians here when this comes up is that the ICC could potentially put US citizens on trial for crimes committed on US soil which is technically unconstitutional - a weak dodge at best. They sometimes mumble about "due process" but that doesn't hold up at all. Lack of trial by jury gets tossed out there as well but c'mon... I'd pay good money to see Cheney and Bush sweat in the ICC docket...

@stux It’s interesting to me that the idea of an ICC exists, but that leaders can just opt to not pay attention to it.

Kinda… defeats the purpose, no?

@stux Ukraine didn't ratify it either. So we only recognize cases we care about. Which is the best position to be in, I guess, so I won't complain

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To be honest, there is a significant difference in US and Russia's nonrecognition on ICC — US does actually investigate war crimes committed by US soldiers under a judiciary system that is independent of the administration. That was the case e.g. with Abu Ghraib abusers, who got sentenced to actual prison sentences in the US. Russia never does anything even close, it consistently denies even the very events happened as it was with countless cases of torture and killings in Donbass or Syria, even when videos were published.