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Clearly my use cases aren't in Logic's sites. I would like a wave editor that's as easy to use as Hindenburg is and Bias PEAK was. Keyboard friendly for cutting, selecting, and moving.

@dimsumthinking
I hear you. I sometimes lean on iZotope RX for this sort of work, just because I already have it. (Don’t rush out to get it; it’s not actually what you’re looking for. Unless you need to clean up background noise, remove clicks and pops, clean up mouth sounds, etc in which case it’s life-changing.)

@inthehands I have used iZotope for years and love it - but I don't use it for editing.

@dimsumthinking
I guess the expectation now is that we’ll all make even simple edits in a DAW? I don’t get it, but…brave new world, here we are.

In the mythical future time when you and I sit down for lunch, clearly audio engineering will have to be another one of our topics!

@marick
Ha, I don’t think I’m quite qualified for that! Maybe @dimsumthinking is, but I’m very much a student here.

@inthehands @marick :-) it would be the quickest way for me to find out how little I know

@dimsumthinking @marick
I have occasionally thought that it would be neat to do a podcast where each episode somebody who knows enough to ask good questions interviews another person with deep expertise, and listeners get to follow along with a kind of learning they wouldn’t otherwise be able to experience.

@dimsumthinking @inthehands Well, that’s the thing. As I try to understand how to use my audio tools well, I find that the vast majority of help is from people who *know too much* and assume you have their same baseline knowledge. So I *want* to learn from people who don’t know vastly more than I do. (1/2)

Ideally, the Digital Audio Workstation space would split into musicians and voice recorders. As it is, searching for help on Reaper or the Izotope tools barrages me with concepts I don’t understand.

Using Reaper is kinda like using Lisp in the ‘80s: you have to *earn* the right to use our tool. (2/2)

@marick @inthehands my main flow is because I know I can and live to edit, when I record I will often pause in the middle of a phrase, pause, and say it differently.

I then use Hindenburg to aggressively edit - a ten minute session may end up three minutes. In the old days a one hour interview may become 5-10 minutes.

Finally I use isotope to clean up the sound and normalize the levels

@dimsumthinking @marick
Thank you for editing. I hear so many banter podcasts that are 2/3 dead wood — and I don’t keep listening!

@inthehands @dimsumthinking Oh yes, thank you for editing. Listened to an interview with someone who likes to photograph “cute birds and sunset”, who “takes pride in a healthy lifestyle, practicing veganism, and nurturing positivity all around”. She’s *painfully* perky. She’s also a death metal vocalist and lyricist. Which is interesting! But no discussion of the seeming contradiction. Also little about her singing (er, growling).

youtube.com/watch?v=lk2-bgwA0R

@marick @dimsumthinking
Delightful!

My dad had a theory that jackhammers operators must be the mellowest, gentlest people around, because they work out all their aggression busting up concrete all day. Similar principle?

@inthehands @dimsumthinking My impression from the interview is that she was always a person of perky character who liked making weird vocal noises. So I think the arrow of time doesn’t allow for your theory.

I did notice when I was finding the link that it was only the first of two episodes. The shownotes for the second suggest there may be more about her actual work. For you – *just* for you – I’ll listen and report back.

@dimsumthinking @inthehands I’m impressed that you can re-record a phrase and have it match the previous phrase. I have to re-record at least the whole sentence.