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Andrea Junker :verified:

By the way, if your church tells you to praise Jesus because a serial rapist was elected, find a new church.

@Strandjunker thing is these sentiments just don’t resonate.
It’s midnboggling

@Strandjunker fuck church. I won’t be going in one again.

@Strandjunker Here's what my Pastor texted me today:
"I know that this must feel extremely threatening to you ... and the rights of all LGTBQ+ people. I wish I could say something profoundly comforting to you. I don't have that except to say that you are loved by so many people and I don't give a flying fuck what crazy Christian nationalistic bullshit has infected this country, or what kind of crazy time we seem to be living through, you remain loved"

@STimmchen yes! She is a terrific ally and steady as a rock.

@STimmchen @Celie One of my favorite quotes from a minister, Tony Campolo:

“I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a shit. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said shit than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.”

@Celie @Strandjunker

Thank you. Your pastor is a good person.

I’ve been alienated from my faith for some time, and I haven’t dared looking for a new church for ages. Bad experiences, bad vibes…

So it means a lot to me to see people actually living love.

@Strandjunker

Rather than finding a new church, I would suggest instead to stop believing in any religion until some god makes you walk on water, fly or produces some miracle you dream of (like world peace).

@lukechairwalker that's not really how religion works at least not as far as christianity is concerned. It's based on symbols and parables and descriptions of biblical events are generally not meant to be taken literally.

@printer @lukechairwalker No as a Christian I can verify that Christianity takes biblical events literally, that's one of the main things that makes it Christianity

@golemwire @printer @lukechairwalker really depends on denomination

every one i've been in, jesus' miracles were recorded for what they were in the bible because they were the signs people were relying on to tell them that he was god - that they actually happened and the specific way in which they happened were considered no less necessary than the way he hinted at his divinity for that (which *were* parables and analogies but there had to be actual things to be analogous to)

i guess in theory at some points in my life i could have joined one of the churches that held otherwise but i never saw the point

@golemwire @lukechairwalker i'm also a christian and i will have to disagree + i'm not the only christian to think this way. I do acknowledge the possibility that we're in minority though.

@lukechairwalker ummmmmm......as a Christian I would disagree....

@Hadewych @Strandjunker

I do find them helpfull, otherwise I wouldn’t waste time writing them.

As a humanist, i have no evidence that all i have is nothing more than this one life. I will not have a soul hanging around after my death nor did i had one before my birth.

So, rather than changing church, I suggest leaving religion.

@lukechairwalker @Strandjunker I'm a member of the humanist society because we try to practice respect for any belief or view. In my mind that's what humanism is about.

@Strandjunker
These are the fake Christians. They want to say that the Ten Commandments are important and then they vote for someone who has violated half of them.

@penglishcsb @BluesHarp @Strandjunker Are we taking expanded forms ('don't lie' and such) or is it 'don't bear false witness against thy neighbor'? If strict, adultery and breaking the Sabbath. If we're being looser with the rules, he's lied, coveted, and I suppose indirectly committed murder as well. Depending on what you think of stealing from society there's that. Might've taken God's name in vain and had gods before God as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if he worshiped a statue of Putin.

@BluesHarp @Strandjunker
> no other gods
himself, economy
< no graven images
not sure actually
> god's name in vain
had to look this one up https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-jesus-christ-compare-truth-social-b2518772.html
> sabbath
unless you take the position the man hasn't done any real work a day in his life
< mother and father
does he even talk about them ever?
> bear false witness
anytime the man's lips move
> adultery
yikes
> steal
ask his creditors
> murder
cf. calling for various people's deaths knowing some of his followers actually listen to him
> covet
yeah

8/10
The Independent · Trump compares himself to Jesus Christ – againBy Gustaf Kilander

@Strandjunker Sadly the church has form for tolerating serial rapists

@Strandjunker 100%. As a pastor it completely boggles my mind how so many pastors and “Christians” can follow someone like Trump who is more like the anti-Christ than Jesus.

@bishop I cannot get my head around how any Christian church could condone, let alone support such a candidate. How Pence could have supported him first time. It just doesn't make sense. It flies against everything I know about that faith.

I'm pretty sure that within this century candidates had their candidacy destroyed when adultery was discovered. And now this.

I am in despair.

@Strandjunker

Dems needed to push to end tax breaks for these places.

But hey yell at us for not rah rahing the economy

@Strandjunker@mstdn.social yes. I'd much rather join the Satanic Temple tbh

@Strandjunker Fundamentalist Christianity has utterly debased itself by hitching their cart to that horse, and made it abundantly clear that they have absolutely no moral authority whatsoever.

Tell us, fundies, what is it that seems to you to be quite Christ-like about him? I'll wait while you think about it.

@Strandjunker
You went back after they told you to vote for him, which technically is against the law, and you did that so most likely you're fine with praising Jesus

@Strandjunker it's better to stay away from any of them. I did 5 years ago.

@Strandjunker or quit. Does not actually affect your trust in your God*™, if you are not in any church.

Top 10 Gods:
1. Capital
2. Power
3. Hate
4. … (fill in your God)
… (fill in your God)
10. The human, their rights and freedom from exploitation, and the resulting Shalom, the real peace coming from Justice, Lawfulness, and an abstract God not so easily subject to religious perversion, after the Great Exodus from exploitative »Egypt«.

#10 is the actual Great Narrative of the bible, being destroyed and perverted by religious and political systems for thousands of years. And still alive. The bible itself tells stories about this conflict, again and again.

But still alive, a resilient beautiful red rose surviving every freezing winter.

@Strandjunker Someone tagged a post on Trump’s Christian supporters and disciples with Protestants and Catholics. I think, #Evangelical, #Fundamentalist, #Reactionary is fitting better. I’m not church-wisely religious any longer, I think religion is a dangerous thing, and not only from today's rather scientific and educated, enlightened perspective, but also following the bible’s fundamental critique of religion, of exploitative Gods and cult. But there are institutionally affiliated religious humans who aim to do a good job, and who aren’t full of hate, but of love for human rights and solidarity with especially the exploited, poor, humiliated humans, regardless of their ideological viewpoints.

@Strandjunker In Germany, some Protestant Pfarrer.inn.en (pastors of all genders of the institutional, formerly state churches, still allowed to tax their members through the profane tax authorities) and the board of their church community granted asylum to immigrants in church buildings to win time for a more thorough legal re-check of their deportation. Months after that the police in that county raided the Pfarrers’ private homes in a synchronized action just to threaten them not to do it again. So they are on the good side, and are learning what it costs them, and not to think they were protected by their official status.

Just to illustrate that not all Christians are Trump fans respectively Fascists. But, I understand that’s what you said with your original post, just trying to second you.

Quitting is my personal way, after some conflicts between the church, and inner conflicts about me staying a church member.

@Strandjunker Most of those who call themselves Christian these days actually follow the teachings of Paul and not Jesus. What we know as the history of Christianity is actually Paulianity, and is the scapegoating of Jesus.

@Strandjunker They are not praising Jesus. They praise the Antichrist.

@Strandjunker Let's not forget Trump is not just a serial rapist but a Pedophile. Epstein did say he was Trumps best friend for a decade. The Peoples Choice

@Strandjunker I walked away from the Catholic Church when I was 14. Took my parents with me although to be fair they were far from devout. Never looked back or had an interest in religion since then.

@Strandjunker if your church is trying to influence your political leanings, it's time to examine what you need a church for in the first place.

@Strandjunker Maybe no church- organized religion is crowd control

@Strandjunker
While you're at it, rethink your need for religion.