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One clear sign of how ignorant and immature the college protesters are is how they all don't seem to want to be held accountable for the crimes they committed.

I wish that our U.S. campuses would at least still assign students to read MLK's Letter from a Birmingham jail, and Thoreau's essay on Civil Disobedience.

I think these protesters have failed the guidelines of: collection of the facts to determine whether injustices exist; negotiation; self-purification; and effective direct action.

@GreenFire
#WarInPalestine

#PierceMorgan gets eviscerated by Prof. #MuhammadMirandi from #Teheran, previously a top-notch adviser to #Iran's nuclear negotiations team.

Everyone should try to take a 1930's perspective and mentally substitute #Israel by the #ThirdReich or #Mussolini's #Italy and Iran by an opposing Allied Power like the UK or the US.

After listening to this debate, the West's, including Israel's, position doesn't have that much standing anymore.

youtu.be/bknbDY1wXCU

@HistoPol
I haven't been convinced based on the evidence that I've seen that I can agree with the argument that the Iranian professor starts out asserting as fact so I'm not going to watch the other 25 minutes.

@GreenFire

#WarInPalestine
A contrarian perspective

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Too bad.
In this case, I find the whole counter argument very insightful.
Israel is, indeed, an apartheid state and the war crimes committed by it, e.g. the direct hit on the help convoy, etc., would have disqualified any other country from the West's help but Israel.
The moral yardstick is, even by well-meaning minds, so obviously different when it comes to Israel as to give representatives from authoritarian...

@HistoPol
I wish that our geopolitical landscape provided the room for us to act like these complex situations were black & white, but I know that they're not because of the history that has brought us to this moment.

@GreenFire

#WarInPalestine
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Correct.
But are they ever?
I don't think so.

The only thing we can do is to act based on the high moral principles that were the basis for many Western democracies and the founding principles of the League of Nations and the United Nations from NOW on.

Nations or terrorists organizations that defy these principles must me brought to heel, however.

This applies to #Russia, the terrorist #Houthis in #Yemen, the remaining #Hamas killers, and...

@GreenFire

#WarInPalestine
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...also the perpetrators of #WarCrimes in the #Netanyahu Regime and the #IDF.

There cannot be double legal and moral standards, ..."with liberty and Justice for all.”

As a sidenote:

History will judge whether the current presiden of Russia or Israel or the former president of the US, #TFG, will have caused the most lasting damage to their respective countries in the long run.

What is at stake for the USA is nothing less than Democracy and individual...

@GreenFire

#WarInPalestine
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...liberties, the final collapse and partitioning of the Russian Federation, and statehood and a safe heaven for Jews for Israel, as well as a Superpower guarantor of its security . I'd say with regard to discrimination and persecution Jews have already been set back globally since October, 2023.
Probably the most lasting achievement of #Netanyahu.

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Kevin Leecaster

@HistoPol
@claralistensprechen3rd So, I would suggest reading about our Civil War to help understand my perspective. Without campaigns of total war that would make the Rafah invasion look like arresting campus protesters like Sherman's march to Savannah I don't know that we would have ended slavery in the 19th century. Hopefully, it would have ended by now, but I don't know that.

These discussions are complex and best done offline with whiskey though.

@HistoPol @claralistensprechen3rd

It's a lot easier to tell soldiers what to do than to do it oneself.

@GreenFire

I'm indeed missing your point, even after a 3rd reading.

Yes, sometimes some "fireplace talk" would be illuminating.
@claralistensprechen3rd

@HistoPol @claralistensprechen3rd
Perhaps a cause-and-effect analysis of John Brown's terrorism might be better example when discussing whether the ends can never justify the means.

These are deep issues that I'm not well prepared to "debate" in 300 word missives perhaps. For example, this short thread was started entirely about the effectiveness of the campus protests imo and it's turned into a debate on middle eastern policy with histories of two other wars muddying the original thesis.