@mathieui Yes and if anything they stopped extending after a while which was a problem because the rest of the #XMPP ecosystem moved on and introduced more features that GTalk didn’t support.

The extensions that Google had a hand in (Jingle and CSI for example) are actually widely supported by other clients.

Google is notorious for launching products and then forgetting they exists. GTalk wasn’t special.

@codeDude

It's fine to say "I don't like its architecture."

That is a perfectly valid point.

Spreading misinformation like "Centralised services cannot be secure" is not okay.

You can dislike things without slipping into pseudo-arguments.

Just say "I don't like $thing."

The world won't end if you dislike something without having arguments as to why you dislike it.

I don't like centralisation a whole lot myself, but that does not make it insecure.

@crazy_pony when @signalapp isn't being run as a #VCMoneyBurningParty and they take #InfoSec, #OpSec, #ComSec & #ITsec serious and stop shilling the #Shitcoin #Scams that is #MobileCoin!

For everyone else, there's #XMPP+#OMEMO (see @monocles / #monoclesChat) & #PGO/MIME (see @delta / #deltaChat)…

@seyon @daniel No it's not exactly the same, but I am not going to get into another endless argument with a delusional person who thinks #XMPP is the answer. It may be for a few techie types, but in its present form it will never be a good alternative for the masses. But, you believe what you want, you obviously have a belief about XMPP and I am not going to change it with anything I say. Have a nice life.

@seyon @daniel Still not going to work because few people want to use an app they have never heard of, on a server neither they nor their friends have ever heard of, using a server that might be run by some scammer in Nigeria or Russia or China for all they know. And also they absolutely will not pay for such a service when all the better known services are free, and they're not going to set up their own #XMPP server because that's not something that interests them in the slightest, plus there are no really good videos that show how to do it (not that it would make a difference for most people, but it might for a few).

If you are willing to run a server AND be their lifetime technical support, then you might stand a shot, but beware - what was once easy to set up and use can become far more difficult as time goes by. Software authors all seem to have some disease that forces them to make changes to perfectly good and working software that breaks things, or compromises privacy or does some other bad thing. So while running a XMPP server might seem like a fun project today, it may not seem like much fun at all in a few months or years.

Much easier to just use something like #Signal. but in saying that I realize the fact they demand a phone number is a huge drawback. #Teleguard (https://teleguard.com/en) looks like a possible alternative, it does not require a phone number and it looks like the basic features are free but some other features (such as Zoom-like conferencing) cost money, and as I said few people will pay for something they can get free on a larger or better known platform. But it hardly ever gets mentioned so I am wondering if there is some hidden drawback to it.

@crmsnbleyd Wait for more #Matrix server implementations and deployments, tailored to different users' preferences. Watch as the fragmentation people cry about in #XMPP becomes a thing in Matrix, like with any federated system. I'm given to understand it's already happening with clients.

And if the implementations and deployments don't materialize? Then we know Matrix is so complicated to implement and run that only a VC-funded company can do it.

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@crmsnbleyd The story of #XMPP and #Matrix is one of XMPP constantly saying to Matrix - "As I was, you are. As I am, you will be."

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We are back online

Both the site and all our XMPP rooms are working again.

The issues turns out was IPv6 not working in our setup which is still under investigation.

@froge @fj I'm not replacing @signalapp with "random tools" but good options.

Like @delta & @thunderbird as well as @monocles / #monoclesChat & @gajim which owrk flawlessly over @torproject / #Tor using @tails / @tails_live / #Tails and @guardianproject / #Orbot respectably.

• Also these allow not only #SelfHosting but just work and I'd highly recommend #monocles as a hoster which finances iself by users paying and allows #anonymous accoubts & payments including not just #Monero but also #CashByMail!

Considering the costs of even acquiring and upkeeping an #anonymous #SIM, I'd rather pay €2 p.m. for #XMPP+#OMEMO and #PGP/MIME-supported #eMail with thr option of self-custody than $2,50+ p.m. just to keep a phone number.

• Plus I don't run around with a #tracking device that could be used to #deanonymize me any second...

Or is anyone here expecting @Mer__edith to risk jail for life amd not comply with #CloudAct?

• If #Signal was as secure as advertised, it would've been shutdown like #EncroChat and #SkyECC!

It stenches like #ANØM, because NOTHING IS FOR FREE and running a #VCmoneyBurningParty is expensive...