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LukasAnyway here's that blogpost about using small shell wrappers for <a href="https://norden.social/tags/pak" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#pak</a> and <a href="https://norden.social/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> and also <a href="https://norden.social/tags/Positron" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Positron</a> and project management and whatnot for the <a href="https://norden.social/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> crowd: <a href="https://blog.jemu.name/2025/03/r-usability-gimmicks/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://blog.jemu.name/2025/03/r-usability-gimmicks/</a>

Data ScienceWant to use {pak} as backend for {renv} actions? Set the variable RENV_CONFIG_PAK_ENABLED = TRUE <a href="https://github.com/rstudio/renv/issues/1210" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/rstudio/renv/issues/1210</a> <a href="https://genomic.social/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> <a href="https://genomic.social/tags/pak" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#pak</a> <a href="https://genomic.social/tags/reproducibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#reproducibility</a> <a href="https://genomic.social/tags/RLang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RLang</a>

LukasThat awkward moment when the reproducibility editor didn't find the renv.lock and the instructions to run renv::restore() in the README.md, but then points you to a reproducibility checklist which also happens to mention <a href="https://norden.social/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> as one option to ensure reproducibility in terms of R package versions 🥲I know it's a thankless volunteer job that can take enormous amounts of time so I'm not mad, I just.. appreciate the irony? <a href="https://norden.social/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> <a href="https://norden.social/tags/phdchat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#phdchat</a>

multimericUnfortunately, re-installing a whole renv library is incredibly slow. However, the renv.config.pak.enabled option speeds it up by a ridiculous margin by installing packages in parallel: <a href="https://rstudio.github.io/renv/reference/config.html#renv-config-pak-enabled" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://rstudio.github.io/renv/reference/config.html#renv-config-pak-enabled</a><a href="https://genomic.social/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> <a href="https://genomic.social/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> <a href="https://genomic.social/tags/pak" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#pak</a>

LukasAnd the thing is, it's not just this project. It's basically every <a href="https://norden.social/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a>-backed project I've touched in the past few years breaking in some way or another, including but not limited to- renv itself shits its pants (especially with renv version upgrades) - restoring across different platforms fails in creative ways - restoring of packages with C/C++ source fails after some time - some interaction of the above, leading to very annoying days where nothing of value happens

LukasNot sure what it says about the effective utility of <a href="https://norden.social/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> that every time I try to run a slightly older project (using the correct R version), either the existing package library is broken somehow (due to dynamic linking and upgraded system packages I think) or I run into compilation errors when restoring packages (recently {fs} and {jsonlite}).It's not much of a reproducible environment if it effectively breaks after ~7 months now, is it? :/<a href="https://norden.social/tags/RStats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RStats</a>

Lulu PowerfulAnother interesting phenomenon. renv.lock lists the project dependencies. By default, these should match renv::dependencies(). renv::dependencies() lists each depended-upon package, and which R file it was mentioned in. But when I call it, it includes renv, and cites renv.lock as the file it was mentioned in.So we have a circular thing where the known dependencies are an input into renv.lock, and renv.lock is an input into the known dependencies.<a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a>2/2

Lulu PowerfulI've been yammering a lot about renv today. Well, I'm not done. I wish I could get off this merry-go-round but I'm stuck on it lol.The thing where it installs a copy of itself in the project dir, even if the same version exists in the user/site lib, is due to how renv bootstraps itself when initialised i.e. uses itself to set itself up (if that makes sense hehe).It seems the developers want to change how this works: <a href="https://github.com/rstudio/renv/issues/1799" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/rstudio/renv/issues/1799</a><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a>1/2

Lulu PowerfulMy renv lockfile includes renv itself in the list of packages. Is this normal? This doesn't match any of the examples I've seen online.Maybe it's because renv is installed into my user library (which I have at ~/R_user_libs/4.4.0) because the site library isn't writeable by users.What do I do? Force renv into the site library?<a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a>

Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋As you can expect, it's a ✨ delight ✨ to restore with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> (it's not).

Michael<a href="https://mastodon.social/@eliocamp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@eliocamp</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@Klesel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Klesel</a> I found a soution. After renv::restore() I added renv::isolate(). This seems to work perfectly. Thanks for your help! <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a>

Michael<a href="https://mastodon.social/@eliocamp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@eliocamp</a> The only difference I see is copying the .Rprofile and the activate.R file. Is this the requirement to forcing <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> to install packages locally?

MichaelHow can I force <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> to add all libraries locally? I use the following code in a dockerfile and still wonder why the packages need to be installed every time I start the container. What am I missing here? <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/docker" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#docker</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/R" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#R</a>

MichaelHow to use <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/vscode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#vscode</a> with <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/vscDebugger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#vscDebugger</a> and <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> ? I struggle to set the r.path.XXX correctly. Have anyone tried to configure this? <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/R" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#R</a>

Dax Kellie📦 I tried using the {renv} package to save my R environment, but no matter what I did, it wouldn't reinstall packages when running `install()` or `restore()`.To help anyone else who might hit this issue, this fixed it: <a href="https://ecoevo.social/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> <a href="https://ecoevo.social/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> <a href="https://ecoevo.social/tags/tidyverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tidyverse</a>

Martin BurgessDoes anyone out there have a MVP using {renv} to manage packages inside a GitHub Codespace Docker set up? <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@milesmcbain" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@milesmcbain</a>? 🙏 <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/codespaces" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#codespaces</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/docker" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#docker</a>

vitaly_drukerHas anyone using <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/rstats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rstats</a> with <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/vscode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#vscode</a> had luck getting the r debugger extension to work while using <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> ?

Jeremy Allennew release of <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/renv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#renv</a> for <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/RStats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RStats</a> includes:"The new renv::checkout() makes it easy to use packages as if they’d all been installed at a specified date. For example, renv::checkout(date = "2023-02-08") will re-install all packages as they were on 2023-02-08 (using Posit Package Manager)...New projects will now use Posit Public Package Manager by default so that you’re more likely to get binaries." <a href="https://posit.co/blog/renv-1-0-0/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://posit.co/blog/renv-1-0-0/</a>

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