@qbi @Gerbsen

Ja, tatsächlich schalte ich die #OMEMO-Verschlüsselung häufig ab. Wäre für mich blöd, wenn das nicht ginge.

@Gerbsen @qbi @signalapp

"Nutzt Signal!"

Außer, wenn man kein Google Android/Apple iOS hat/haben will.

Außer, wenn man nicht Amazon AWS nutzen/finanzieren will oder befürchtet, DJT könnte jederzeit den Zugang sperren.

Außer, wenn man seine Telefonnummer nicht als Chat-Id verwenden will.

Email vs. Signal ist eine falsche Dichotomie. Es gibt freie, föderierte Alternativen mit Clients für die meisten Betriebssysteme und ohne Telefonnummernzwang.

@j_r @erebion

Note, that #Jabber became better for large groups in recent years. It was horrible five or ten years ago, but IIRC, e.g. the developers of #Prosody @prosodyim and #Ejabberd @ejabberd optimized something about (not) sending presence or whatever.

Moderation is still not very advanced, but #XMPP made a bit of progress: There are "XEP-0425: Moderated Message Retraction" and https://xmppbl.org/

Better than nothing.

@erebion

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Universal protocol for many use cases, chat, social, conferencing, IoT.

Proven scalability (mainly in proprietary contexts: Whatsapp, Zoom, Grindr, FCM, Fortnite etc.).

Secure. Somewhat. Well, at least neither inflammable nor slippery.

Best is: DJT cannot call Jeff B. and tell them to shut #Jabber down, because there are nerve-racking journalists in the chat group. That might happen with Signal, though.

@xmpp

@erebion

I cannot even parse "foo is secure" or "bar is insecure". What does security mean in a given context? Is Signal inflammable or slippery?

The big plus points in favour of #Jabber/#XMPP are:

Not a silo in the Amazon cloud. Many servers available everywhere.

First class clients for many OSes, not only Google Android and Apple iOS.

Long history since 1999-01-06, very good #LindyEffect property.

#IETF standard governed by the #XSF, various independent implementations.

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@thomzane This Instant Messaging Platforms infographic by @niboe is also useful for a quick reference. It's from 2022 so maybe not 100% correct now.