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Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://jorts.horse/@incoherentmumblings" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@incoherentmumblings</a> <a href="https://mastodon.green/@akshatrathi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@akshatrathi</a> not really.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/China" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#China</a> suffered over a century of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Colonialism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Colonialism</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Warlordism</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CivilWar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CivilWar</a>, Japan basically genociding huge parts of it's civilians in it's expansionism, Civil War and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Maoism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Maoism</a> until the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CCP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CCP</a> got their shit together.<ul><li>It's kinda like how people think Post-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WW2" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WW2</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Germany" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Germany</a> got a "miraculous recovery" when in fact it's just "where a lot of rubble is, there's a lot of need to employ people to clear up and rebuild!"...</li></ul>Same as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Somalia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Somalia</a> today and many other places that git ravaged by conflicts but stabilized.<ul><li>China's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Oligarchy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Oligarchy</a> exists and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/inequality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#inequality</a> too is great.</li></ul>It's just that the "P.R." China had ~70 years of uninterrupted shouting of "Sit down, you will enjoy our progress!" and having everyone who didn't agree either "reeducated" or forcibly disappeared.<ul><li>And <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Beijing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Beijing</a> does have a tight grip on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/media" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#media</a>. People there jist don't know better!<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_UcAVWQs8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_UcAVWQs8</a></li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.social/@micchiato" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@micchiato</a> Also true <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Anarchism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Anarchism</a> is inherently impossible as people will inevitably setup structures...May it be <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/communalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#communalism</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/syndicatism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#syndicatism</a> (most <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Commun%C3%A9s" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Communés</a> and self-organized housing as well as all the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Kibbuzim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Kibbuzim</a>) or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tribalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tribalism</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#warlordism</a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Somalia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Somalia</a>) or whatever.Even if we'd descent and devolutionize into family clans - which would essentially mean downgrading at least 15.000 years in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/progress" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#progress</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/technology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#technology</a> - we'd still have <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Power" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Power</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/structures" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#structures</a> in place even if it's some "elder" and their (young, strong and easy to manipulate) followers wielding clubs and beating everyone into either submission or death if they disobey...Like that doesn't require much imagination, because it did happen by archeological findings and it still does happen today (see <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DomesticViolence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DomesticViolence</a>)...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mstdn.social/@CharlesByrd" class="u-url mention">@CharlesByrd</a> +9001%<a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/FreeSpeech" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#FreeSpeech</a> does not mean <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/ConsequenceFreeSpeech" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#ConsequenceFreeSpeech</a>!<a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Accountability" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Accountability</a> and <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Consequences" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Consequences</a> are good, if not what keeps this world from falling into <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/chaos" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#chaos</a> worse than <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#warlordism</a>! <a href="https://xkcd.com/1357/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no">https://xkcd.com/1357/</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://kolektiva.social/@FinalOverdrive" class="u-url mention">@FinalOverdrive</a> *nodds in agreement*Same with certain <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/anarchists" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#anarchists</a> who just refuse to understand that just abolishing the state will inherently result in <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#warlordism</a> because people didn't change...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.social/@comebackkid44723" class="u-url mention">@comebackkid44723</a> @HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social @ItsTrainingCatsAndDogs@kolektiva.social So basically either a posse or just <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#warlordism</a>... <a href="https://mastodon.social/@comebackkid44723/110678886255097856" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no">https://mastodon.social/@comebackkid44723/110678886255097856</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://social.translunar.academy/users/trans_caracal" class="u-url mention">@trans_caracal</a> It's not good, but any form of <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Governance" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Governance</a> will need <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/enforcement" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#enforcement</a> of it's rules, otherwise it'll inevitably be toppled by <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Warlordism</a> aka. <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Anarchism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Anarchism</a> in the sense of "Tyranny by the Strongest"!Because <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/violence" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#violence</a> is part of the human evolution and at some point, people need to be stopped non-consensually in some form.However, that doesn't necessitate excessive <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/PoliceViolence" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#PoliceViolence</a> or <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Incarceration" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Incarceration</a>-for-profit...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://ni.hil.ist/@Void" class="u-url mention">@Void</a> that would basically result in <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#warlordism</a> and <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/tyranny" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#tyranny</a> of the strong over the weak.

Chuck DarwinChina's Ideological Affinity With Russia Is OverMuch has been made of China’s growing <a href="https://c.im/tags/authoritarianism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#authoritarianism</a> under Xi, but it is hard to imagine that Xi looks upon the degraded spectacle of Russia with anything less than quiet <a href="https://c.im/tags/contempt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#contempt</a>. Xi has famously required members of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to study and derive lessons from the demise of the Soviet Union under Mikhail Gorbachev. His own synoptic assessment of how that erstwhile superpower collapsed is that it lost its nerve, meaning it didn’t have the guts to fight to defend and sustain its own system. <a href="https://c.im/tags/Putin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Putin</a> clearly has the <a href="https://c.im/tags/will" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#will</a> to keep <a href="https://c.im/tags/fighting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fighting</a> for power, but in the view of Xi, can Putin be said to have a <a href="https://c.im/tags/system" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#system</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/worth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#worth</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/fighting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fighting</a> for? China’s own history from the mid-20th century until now says otherwise.One of the foundational principles of Mao Zedong, whose victory against Nationalists in a long civil war led to the establishment of the People’s Republic of China, was that the country’s <a href="https://c.im/tags/military" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#military</a> must at all times remain under the clear and unambiguous <a href="https://c.im/tags/control" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#control</a> and at the service of the CCP. Every leader since Mao has clung to this line, and none more so than Xi, who has doubled down.But China’s history holds even older reasons to feel repelled by Russia’s unrelenting decay under Putin. For decades prior to the CCP victory in 1949, the country was constantly riven by <a href="https://c.im/tags/warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#warlordism</a>. Here is where the spectacle of today’s Russia comes most sharply into critical focus. As if pursuing history in reverse, Putin has increasingly relied on warlords and <a href="https://c.im/tags/militias" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#militias</a> to shore up his power and pursue strategic goals.<a href="https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/30/china-russia-ideological-affinity-ukraine-war-putin-xi/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/30/china-russia-ideological-affinity-ukraine-war-putin-xi/</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:@trz4747 yeah, and I think these folks basically make <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/anarchism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#anarchism</a> bad and by wanting a violent collapse are basically <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/SocialDrwinists" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#SocialDrwinists</a> without the spine to admit that their ideas are essentially <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#warlordism</a> of the <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Somalia" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Somalia</a> kind...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.world/@muzikant" class="u-url mention">@muzikant</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/@rbreich" class="u-url mention">@rbreich</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/@TenaciousUnicornRanch" class="u-url mention">@TenaciousUnicornRanch</a> In an ideal world, noone would need arms at all.But since neither the state will disarm itself nor would it be acceptable to live under <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#warlordism</a> where the strong prey on the weak through violence and blunt force, people have a right to defend their inalienable rights to exist and act in self- and mutual defense.For real tho...

Kevin Karhan :verified:@ItsTrainingCatsAndDogs@kolektiva.social Then you have no rules and laws whatsoever, meaning pure <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#warlordism</a> of the <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Somalia" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Somalia</a> kind:Where the strong prey, abuse and kill the weak with neither accountability nor consequences in sight.Sounds even more fucked up and social-darwinist to me than the most paywalled system there is.

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://kolektiva.social/@FarmingWarMech" class="u-url mention">@FarmingWarMech</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@saraislet" class="u-url mention">@saraislet</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/@void" class="u-url mention">@void</a> So to come back at the core point: <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Anarchism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Anarchism</a> is the <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/dictatorship" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#dictatorship</a> of the <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/powerful" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#powerful</a> & <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/violent" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#violent</a>, resulting in <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Warlordism</a>.Or to put it into simple words: 1. Chaos causes insecurity 2. Band together to increase your chances 3. Grow past manageable size 4. Elect a leader to better manage 5. You have a fucking government<a href="https://kolektiva.social/@void/109544995359494441" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no">https://kolektiva.social/@void/109544995359494441</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://kolektiva.social/@void" class="u-url mention">@void</a> true, but how do you get <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/consensus" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#consensus</a> and not decay into <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/warlordism" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#warlordism</a>?Cuz some things need to be decided - either directly or indirectly...Also if you don't have a <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/state" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#state</a>, you have other constructs taking over the role of it.Even if it's just a family, clan, tribe, communé, gang, etc.

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