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#SecondCybernetics

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Loafer<p>I've been looking at <a href="https://discuss.systems/tags/cybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cybernetics</span></a> <a href="https://discuss.systems/tags/SecondCybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SecondCybernetics</span></a> and I just realized something; there is no feedback loop to <a href="https://discuss.systems/tags/Wallstreet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Wallstreet</span></a> about the wellbeing of human beings; and this is why we are all broke. I'm sure it's a feature not a bug; but if we elect the right people maybe we can make that happen. <a href="https://discuss.systems/tags/harriswalz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>harriswalz</span></a> <a href="https://discuss.systems/tags/harriswalz2024" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>harriswalz2024</span></a></p>
Christophe Rigon / Soto²<p>[Scybernethic(s) fathers] 𝗛𝗲𝗶𝗻𝘇 𝗩𝗼𝗻 𝗙𝗼𝗲𝗿𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿 (1911-2002) - &quot;Heinz the Great&quot; (Varela, 95), the 𝗦𝗼𝗰𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗰𝘆𝗯𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗲𝘁𝗶𝗰𝘀 - BCL and second-order cybernetics). In my &quot;brain&quot; (and my heart 🙏): <a href="https://bra.in/5vAWB3" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">bra.in/5vAWB3</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Scybernethics" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Scybernethics</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Cybernetic" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Cybernetic</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/SecondCybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>SecondCybernetics</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Epistemology" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Epistemology</span></a></p>
Christophe Rigon / Soto²<p>&quot;I am the observed relation between myself and observing myself&quot; - Von Foerster 😁 </p><p><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/SecondCybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>SecondCybernetics</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Enaction" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Enaction</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Scybernethics" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Scybernethics</span></a> <br />---<br />RT @SebastjanVoros<br />Here&#39;s an interesting nugget to chew on:</p><p>&quot;In Spencer-Brown&#39;s system of thought memory is a form of being, of a distinction, of a self-referential activity, of a boundary .&quot; <br /><a href="https://twitter.com/SebastjanVoros/status/1616016460471754752" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">twitter.com/SebastjanVoros/sta</span><span class="invisible">tus/1616016460471754752</span></a></p>
Christophe Rigon / Soto²<p>“An epistemology of the double cut (subject/object; consciousness/body) must give way to an epistemology of the weld, of the structural coupling (Varela) of the creative subject in interaction with a world that he creates while creating himself in the maintenance of his identity, and this because of its ontological openness and the ontological openness of things.” (Durafour 2006: 30).</p><p><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Quote" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Quote</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/SecondCybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>SecondCybernetics</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Scybernethics" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Scybernethics</span></a></p>
Christophe Rigon / Soto²<p>[Refs] If you&#39;re interested in second-cybernetics, (radical) constructivism or in the (original) enaction paradigms, check out the Constructivist E-Papers Archive site (you can subscribe for free): <a href="https://cepa.info/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">cepa.info/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Enaction" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Enaction</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/SecondCybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>SecondCybernetics</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Epistemology" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Epistemology</span></a></p>
Christophe Rigon / Soto²<p>Why the second cybernetics (Von Foerster, Ashby, Pask, Maturana,...) is almost systematically forgotten when talking about the post-cybernetics era. It is always the easy and financially seductive AI that is put forward, but this lacks historical and epistemological objectivity.</p><p><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/SecondCybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>SecondCybernetics</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Epistemology" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Epistemology</span></a></p>
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