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Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.social/@threetails" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@threetails</a> <a href="https://vmst.io/@jalefkowit" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@jalefkowit</a> when is it NOT a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MoneyBurningParty</a>?

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.scot/@moh_kohn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@moh_kohn</a> except <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> too is a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#centralized</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendir" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingleVendir</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingleProvider</a> solution that fully falls under <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CliudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CliudAct</a> and thus CANNOT comply with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GDPR</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BDSG</a> as a matter of principle since this digital rquivalent of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ExtraordinaryRendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ExtraordinaryRendition</a> is inherently incompatible!<ul><li>Use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PGP</a>/MIME with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfCustody</a> if all the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Keys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Keys</a> for real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EndToEndEncryption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#EndToEndEncryption</a> that doesn't rely on a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#VC</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MoneyBurningParty</a>. </li></ul><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monoclesChat</a>, <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@gajim</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gajim</a> & <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a>, <a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@thunderbird</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Thunderbird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Thunderbird</a> do support that!

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://hollow.raccoon.quest/@raccoon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@raccoon</a> nodds in agreement<ul><li>The correct term would've been <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CashGrab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CashGrab</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/content" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#content</a> to encompass <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ingame" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ingame</a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/cosmetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cosmetics</a> and other lazy, low effort high price post-launch additions...</li></ul>I mean people also call <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discord</a> instances "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Server" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Server</a>" when it's literally a "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/serverless" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#serverless</a>" application running on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/aws" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#aws</a> aka. "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MoneyBurningParty</a>"...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.online/@zdl" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@zdl</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@evacide" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@evacide</a> unless they put their money and ass on the line and don't commit to unsustainable <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#VC</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MoneyBurningParty</a>|s like <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@signalapp</a>. <ul><li>Whereas with <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@monocles</a>, the Users pay directly for said service instead with their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/data" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#data</a>! </li></ul>Remember: Whoever pays for the show is the real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/customer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#customer</a> and in case of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NSAbook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NSAbook</a> et.al. those are <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Advertisers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Advertisers</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DataBrokers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DataBrokers</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Governments" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Governments</a>!

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.social/@ViXY_DBC" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ViXY_DBC</a> <a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fuchsiii</a> I disagree...<ul><li>I'd rather think that we need to normalize using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Tor</a> espechally when <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/cyberfacist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cyberfacist</a> politicians are allowed to stay in office and not get jailed for treason.</li></ul>Also unlike <a href="https://mastodon.social/@mozillaofficial" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mozillaofficial</a>, the <a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@torproject</a> isn't a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MoneyBurningParty</a> funded by deals with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Google</a> or other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GAFAM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GAFAM</a>|s & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PRISM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PRISM</a> collaborators...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://toot.wales/@therainingmonkey" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@therainingmonkey</a> IMHO <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> is jist another <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HoneyPot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HoneyPot</a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ANØM</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationIronside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OperationIronside</a>/ <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationTr%C3%B8janShield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OperationTrøjanShield</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoAG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CryptoAG</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MINERVA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MINERVA</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Rubikon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Rubikon</a> before it.<ul><li>Why else do you think they are incorporated in the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#USA</a> despite <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CloudAct</a>, run as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#VC</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MoneyBurningParty</a> & ain't forced to yeet all Phone Numbers from <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Russia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Russia</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NorthKorea" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NorthKorea</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Iran" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Iran</a> and "P.R." <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/China" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#China</a>?</li></ul><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> is good.<ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqknSms8VVI&t=91s" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">It's so good that it scratches that part of my mind that doesn't allow good to exist without precondition.</a>...</li></ul>So I'd <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220112020000/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">never count on anyone not talking</a>, espechally <a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Mer__edith</a> when faced with lifetime in jail for not doing so.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sarcasm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#sarcasm</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://labyrinth.zone/users/halva" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@halva</a> <a href="https://a.bloodyno.se/users/lynn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@lynn</a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/@deilann" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@deilann</a> The problem is one needs to literally acquire a phone number and have access to it, and the demand of a phone number itself is bad. This makes it unnecessarily complex and expensive compared to using <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monoclesChat</a>. (Cuz if I've to pay to communicate, I might just choose a provider that isn't a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#VC</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MoneyBurningParty</a> but a long-term sustainable solution based off <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenStandards" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenStandards</a>!)<ul><li>I'm sorry for your location. My sincere condolences!</li></ul>Still, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> doesn't allow <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfCustody</a> of all the keys & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfHosting</a>, which makes it vulnerable as a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#proprietary</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#centralized</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingleVendor</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingleProvider</a> solution.<ul><li>Just because <a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Mer__edith</a> isn't having <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Roskonmadnozr" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Roskonmadnozr</a> pointing a gun at her head doesn't mean <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220112020000/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">she'd risk jail for a user</a> when push comes to shove.</li></ul>And with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CloudAct</a> on one hand and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a> wanting to "Speedrun Hitler", I'd not rely on Signal.<ul><li>The "Metadata" <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FUD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FUD</a> is just a marketing bs because Signal will comply with warrants, whereas nothing prevents me from buying a Thin client, setting up an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OnionService</a> to tunnel everything over <a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@torproject</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Tor</a> and rig it to disconnect power if tampered with or upon command.</li></ul>I have setup comms for critical operations (incl. helping people flee Russia!) and I'd rather choose <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionShare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OnionShare</a> over <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Metadata" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Metadata</a> is a real concern.<ul><li>Internet Access, even in "P.R." <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/China" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#China</a>, is something feasible to workout given the massive prevalence of public <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WiFi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WiFi</a>. Also it's easier to spoof/anonymize a MAC than an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IMEI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMEI</a> or even <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IMSI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMSI</a>, so making one dependent on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PhoneNumbers</a> to even sign up is inherently bad!</li></ul>

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