Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@iFixit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">iFixit</a> <blockquote>and it doesn't look like you can attach documents to posts</blockquote><br>You can't on Mastodon. I could, both here on <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> and on <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/(streams)" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> where I post my images.<br><br>But I wouldn't have to. Vanilla Mastodon has a character limit of 500. Hubzilla has a character "limit" that's so staggeringly high that nobody knows how high it is because it doesn't matter. (streams), from the same creator and the same software family as Hubzilla, has a character "limit" of over 24,000,000 which is not an arbitrary design decision but simply the size of the database field.<br><br>By the way: Both are in the Fediverse, and both are federated with Mastodon, so Mastodon's "all media must have accurate and sufficiently detailed descriptions" rule applies there as well unless you don't care if thousands upon thousands of Mastodon users block you for not supplying image and media descriptions.<br><br>In theory, I could publish a video of ten minutes, and in the same post, I could add a full, timestamped description that takes several hours to read. Verbatim transcript of all spoken words. Detailed description of the visuals where "detailed" means "as detailed as Mastodon loves its alt-texts" as in "800 characters of alt-text or more for a close-up of a single flower in front of a blurry background" detailed. Detailed description of all camera movements and cuts. Description of non-spoken-word noises. All timestamped, probably with over a hundred timestamps for the whole description of ten minutes of video.<br><br>Now I'm wondering if <em>that</em> could be helpful or actually required, or if it's overkill and actually a hindrance.<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://connectified.com/@masukomi" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">masukomi</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.scot/@gunchleoc" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">GunChleoc</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MediaDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MediaDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MediaDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MediaDescriptions</a>
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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://c.im/@JosephMeyer" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joseph Meyer</a> <blockquote>When you read exceptional alt text, do you ever compliment its author? What is the epitome of alt text, either in general terms or using a specific example?</blockquote><br>I'd really like to know that myself, also to up my own game further and always stay way ahead of image description quality requirements.<br><br>I mean, <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e63be04-d96e-412a-ab47-aff18c5f9ad8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I've learned a lot about describing images in and for the Fediverse</a> over the last two years. But I guess I can still learn something new, even if I think I already take care of everything, even if the technical possibilities I have here on Hubzilla for describing images surpass those on Mastodon by magnitudes.<br><br>Maybe, if I learn something new from those who reply, I can weave it into the image descriptions for a series of images that I've been working on since late last year (the descriptions, not the images which are ready to go).<br><br><blockquote>Alt text sometimes merely explains what I am viewing; other times it draws my attention to special details in a photo that I would have otherwise missed.</blockquote><br>I never explain in alt-text. I do always explain a whole lot because I always have to explain a whole lot. For my original images, it takes me over 1,000 characters alone to explain where an image was made.<br><br>But I only ever give explanations in the long, detailed image descriptions that go into the post text body (in addition to shorter and purely visual descriptions in the alt-texts).<br><br>Or if there's no additional long image description in the post itself which is the case for my meme posts, I still supply enough explanation in the post text body (still not in the alt-text) for just about everyone in the Fediverse to understand them without having to look anything up themselves. If I can link to external information, e.g. KnowYourMeme for the template I've used, I do so. If I can't, I write the missing explanations right into the post myself.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
Herzleid<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://sfba.social/@knutson_brain" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>knutson_brain</span></a></span> <a href="https://wandering.shop/tags/Alt4You" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Alt4You</span></a> <a href="https://wandering.shop/tags/ImageDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ImageDescription</span></a> </p><p>Stills from Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy. The journey to Mount Doom is very hard and Frodo is very tired. He asks "What are we holding onto, Sam?" <br>"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for."</p><p>That is the wisdom om Samwise Gamgee.</p>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://phpc.social/@luciledt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LucileDT</a> Technically speaking, I've got over 24,000,000 characters for posts and the same over 24,000,000 characters for all alt-texts in a post combined. <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Where I post my images nowadays</a> (if I post any at all), alt-text is not a separate data field but woven into the image embedding code.<br><br>Too long alt-text still won't work. The UI can only show so much alt-text at once, and it can always only show the beginning. You can't scroll through alt-text; trying it will close the alt-text pop-up.<br><br>Besides, alt-text is most important on Mastodon anyway. And as I've already said, Mastodon and its forks (Glitch, Hometown, Ecko etc. etc.) as well as Misskey and its forks (Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, CherryPick, Catodon etc. etc.) all cut alt-texts from outside off at the 1,500-character mark and throw the excess characters away.<br><br>In my posts, I can go all out. But that leads to extremely long posts. I had <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:key:z6Mkf2dhUa65zBYCNVqs3AHyt8uPixauZ7bPzEJn15LJANsd/item/8829de04-af65-4fa5-a6fa-438103c7d6c8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">one meme post with 25,000+ characters in eight explanations for one image</a> before I learned that people do actually prefer externally linked explanations over posts with five-digit character counts due to the many long explanations. And that's without visual descriptions.<br><br>On my channel for original virtual world images, I've only got <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:key:z6Mkmc3YmgUu5jTyhc6YqC8VjnMwmFtdjFFA45MHTqyBFaA2/item/b6ae326a-c207-46dd-836b-6bc2b6a3509c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">one post with two images</a>. One image is a fairly simple avatar portrait with hardly any surroundings, the other one is a bit more complex. Altogether, the two long descriptions still exceed 20,000 characters, explanations and text transcripts included.<br><br>It could be worse. <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">My last image post on this Hubzilla channel here contains only one image</a>, but it's complex enough for a 60,000-character description.<br><br>In <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/136f021c-06cb-4e38-abe6-2bf37fd521d8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">the last one before that</a>, I've managed to describe one single object in the image with over 3,000 characters and then explain it with another more than 2,500 characters. And that explanation still depends on the explanations earlier in the image description.<br><br>This is what happens when the topic is too obscure.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://phpc.social/@luciledt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LucileDT</a> I always explain my image posts extensively because I know they always need extensive explanations, being about very obscure topics and such.<br><br>But I don't do so in the alt-text. You should never explain anything in the alt-text. Not everyone can access alt-text. Besides, I'd quickly exceed 1,500 characters which would cause Mastodon, Misskey and their forks to cut my alt-texts off.<br><br>Instead, my explanations go into the posts themselves which are almost unlimited. In the case of my original images, the explanations are part of a second, much longer and much more detailed image description in the post.<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://digitalcourage.social/@chikl" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">chikl</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.neilzone.co.uk/@neil" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Neil Brown</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://kolektiva.social/@enby_of_the_apocalypse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">undead enby of the apocalypse</a> It depends.<br><br>My original images, rare as they are, are even more niche than @<a href="https://mastodon.nl/@Rana" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zeewater</a>'s, namely renderings from extremely obscure 3-D virtual worlds. This is something that maybe one out of 200,000 Fediverse users "has a basic understanding of". The other 199,999 need explanations.<br><br>I've long since decided how much detail is relevant, based on who may come across my images, and what they may be interested in. As I don't limit my target audience although I could, I write my image descriptions for random strangers who stumble upon a post of mine on some federated timeline. Considering the topic, they might be interested in <em>everything</em> in the image, regardless of context. And yes, at the same time, they may not be fully sighted.<br><br>And so I go to such detail that I need two image descriptions. A "short" and purely visual description in the alt-text (which still tends to grow to 1,500 characters, complete with the note where a longer description can be found), and a long, detailed description with all necessary explanations and all text transcripts in the post itself (I don't have any character limits to worry about).<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://mastodon.neilzone.co.uk/@neil" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Neil Brown</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
FiXato<p><strong>8 panel comic by Garry Trudeau</strong></p><p><strong>Panel 1:</strong></p><p>Teacher saying "Okay, let's be clear about the <em>cause</em> of the civil war..." while writing "Slavery" with chalk on a schoolboard.</p><p><strong>Panel 2:</strong></p><p>Teacher continues off-screen "It's cited in <em>seven</em> state declarations of secession!" while the panel focuses on 3 bored and dejected looking students, one of which is thinking "Hmm... Wonder if I should rat her out..."</p><p><strong>Panel 3:</strong></p><p>Teacher is now seen facing the classroom: ”Something else not in your new textbook..."<br>(Two years are written on the blackboard behind her, 1862 and 1863, along with some notes that are partially obscured by the teacher.)<br>"Nearly 100,000 <em>white</em> southerners volunteered to fight for the union!"</p><p><strong>Panel 4:</strong></p><p>Focus on the teacher:<br>"In fact, it was <em>Alabama</em> cavalry who flanked Sherman on his march through Georgia!"</p><p><strong>Panel 5:</strong></p><p>We now look at the still apathetic or disinterested looking classroom from behind the teacher as she continue:<br>"Unlike their neighbors, these men <em>accepted</em> Lincoln's free and fair election. They fought to preserve democracy!"</p><p><strong>Panel 6:</strong></p><p>Student 2: "Whoa. The never-Trumpers of their day."</p><p>Student 3: "Mrs. Johnson, this is Florida. Isn't it against the law to teach us the full story?"</p><p><strong>Panel 7:</strong></p><p>Teacher: "Sadly, yes."<br>Student 2: "Aren't you worried. Ma'am? What if someone turns you in?"</p><p><strong>Panel 8:</strong></p><p>Teacher: "Well, my husband's waiting outside in our truck."</p><p>Off-screen student: "Go now, ma'am! Before it's too late!"</p><p>Student 2: "Take I-95 North! Route 1's a mess!"</p><p>Student 3: "Text us when you make the border, okay?"<br>(Panel is signed "GB Trudeau".)</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@counterpoint" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>counterpoint</span></a></span></p><p><a href="https://toot.cat/tags/DescribedMedia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DescribedMedia</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/ImageDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ImageDescription</span></a></p>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://toot.cat/@garry" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Garry Knight</a> @<a href="https://mstdn.social/@qurlyjoe" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">qurly(not curly)joe</a> This, by the way, is something that next to nobody in the Fediverse knows, and that many will deny and fight with all they can:<br><br>Alt-text must never include exclusive information that is neither in the post text nor in the image itself. Such information must always go into the post itself. If you don't have room in the post, add it to a reply or multiple.<br><br>That's because not everybody can access alt-text. Certain physical disabilities can make accessing alt-text impossible, for example, if someone can't use their hands. Money quote from way down <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4376779b-8bd1-4da9-9c38-92a7fae57abb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this comment thread</a>:<br><br> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@gnomicutterance" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@gnomicutterance" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Deborah</a> wrote the following <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@gnomicutterance/110691919197248049" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">post</a> <span class="">Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:30:45 +0200</span></span> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@jupiter_rowland</a> <br><br>I have a disability that prevents me from seeing alt text, because on almost all platforms, seeing the alt requires having a screenreader or working hands. If you post a picture, is there info that you want somebody who CAN see the picture but DOESN’T have working hands to know? Write that in visible text. If you put that in the alt, you are explicitly excluding people like me.<br><br>But you don’t have to overthink it. The description of the image itself is a simple concept. <br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Inclusion" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inclusion</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mstdn.ca/@DavidM_yeg" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David Mitchell :CApride:</a> <blockquote>Mostly, just imagine you’re telling your friend over the phone about image you’re looking at and what they would need to know.</blockquote><br><br>Let's just say I'm a bit critical about that because, in my opinion, it doesn't work in the Fediverse.<br><br> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland</a> wrote the following <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/21735784-8443-430a-aa09-e0d9d00a40c2" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">post</a> <span class="">Fri, 04 Oct 2024 23:30:02 +0200</span></span> <p><strong><strong>You can't describe images in Fediverse posts like over the phone</strong></strong></p>Allegedly, a "good" advice for image descriptions is always to describe images like you'd describe them to someone on a landline phone.<br><br>Sorry, but that's non-sense. At least for anything that goes significantly beyond a real-life cat photo.<br><br>If you describe an image through a phone, you describe it to <em>one</em> person. Usually a person whom you know, so you've at least got a rough idea on what they need described. Even more importantly, you can ask that person what they want to know about the image if you don't know. And you get a reply.<br><br>If you describe an image for a public Fediverse post, you describe it to <em>millions</em> of Fediverse users and <em>billions</em> of Web users. You can't know what they all want, nor can you generalise what they all want. And you can't even ask one of them what they need described before or while describing, much less all of them. In fact, you can't ask at all. And yet, you have to cater to everyone's needs the same and throw no-one under a bus.<br><br>If I see a realistic chance that someone might be interested in some detail in one of my images, I will describe it. It won't be in the shorter description in the alt-text; instead, it will be in the long description which I've always put directly into the post so far, but whose placement I'm currently reconsidering. If something is unfamiliar enough to enough people that it requires an explanation, I will explain it in the long description.<br><br>Right now, only meme posts are an exception. They don't need as much of a visual description as long as I stick to the template, and a poll has revealed that people do prefer externally linked third-party explanations over my own ones blowing the character count of the post out of proportion. This is the one time that I can safely assume that I actually <em>know</em> what most people want.<br><br>@<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">accessibility group</a> @<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/a11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a11y group</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" 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target="_blank">Inclusion</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a> <br><br>CC: @<a href="https://mstdn.ca/@monstreline" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Monstreline</a> @<a href="https://ohai.social/@i_cannot_today" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Claire (sometimes Carla)</a> @<a href="https://mstdn.social/@qurlyjoe" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">qurly(not curly)joe</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" 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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mstdn.ca/@monstreline" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Monstreline</a> @<a href="https://mstdn.social/@qurlyjoe" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">qurly(not curly)joe</a> @<a href="https://ohai.social/@i_cannot_today" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Claire (sometimes Carla)</a> One thing you could do is <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/alttext" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">search mastodon.social for the #</a><a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> hashtag which many put on their posts with alt-text. Also, <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/alttext" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">search mastodon.social for the #</a><a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextHallOfFame" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextHallOfFame</a> hashtag and follow @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@alttexthalloffame" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alt Text Hall of Fame</a>.<br><br>However, I'm not sure if that will lead to the desired outcome. Checking Mastodon users' alt-texts and the reactions upon these was part of what <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e63be04-d96e-412a-ab47-aff18c5f9ad8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">led myself to what one may argue is "overthinking" image descriptions for the Fediverse</a>. In fact, I ended up describing all my original images twice, including with a long image description in the post itself. And I'm constantly upping my game, improving my style and declaring old image descriptions obsolete because I keep learning new things and trying new things.<br><br>Granted, you may not be inspired to go as far as I did, seeing as you've got 500 characters in posts whereas I have hundreds of thousands or even millions. But still, chances are that analysing other people's alt-texts may have you overthink image descriptions even more rather than less.<br><br>For reference, here are my latest original image posts in reverse chronological order (the older, the more obsolete):<br><ul><li><a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:key:z6Mkmc3YmgUu5jTyhc6YqC8VjnMwmFtdjFFA45MHTqyBFaA2/item/b6ae326a-c207-46dd-836b-6bc2b6a3509c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Happy 17th birthday, OSgrid!</a></li><li><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Universal Campus: The mother of all mega-regions</a></li><li><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/136f021c-06cb-4e38-abe6-2bf37fd521d8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inspector Jupiter Rowland, Scotland Yard...</a></li><li><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/c8a14063-b4e2-48fa-baf9-cb4faef7225b" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The upcycling and upgrading of Clutterfly furniture continues</a></li><li><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/8c2b4728-dda5-498b-9f84-2f11e163a4a5" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">When old meets new: Arcadia Asylum exhibits at OpenSimFest 2023</a></li></ul>In each case, the post including image(s) is hidden behind a summary and content warning. In the first post, the images themselves are additionally hidden behind a spoiler tag as an extra safety measure due to their potentially sensitive content.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=OpenSim" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenSim</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=OpenSimulator" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenSimulator</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Metaverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Metaverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=VirtualWorlds" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">VirtualWorlds</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mstdn.social/@qurlyjoe" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">qurly(not curly)joe</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@jztusk" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">jz.tusk</a> If you have a lot to describe, and/or if you need to explain your image, the best you can do is to give two descriptions for the same image.<br><br>A "short", purely visual description in the alt-text, also to satisfy the alt-text police and the Mastodon HOA who demand there be an alt-text for all images, no matter what.<br><br>And a long, detailed description that includes all explanations, and that goes into the post.<br><br>Yes, it will exceed 500 characters. But if you regularly have to describe that much, it's best to move someplace with a much higher character limit. Spreading a long description across multiple Mastodon toots can only be a short-term kluge.<br><br>Misskey offers you hard-coded 3,000 characters. All its forks have configurable character limits which tend to be higher. Akkoma offers you at least 5,000 characters. Friendica offers you 200,000 characters, but adding alt-text isn't as straight-forward as on Mastodon.<br><br>The limit I have here on Hubzilla is even higher; I don't know how high it is, but it doesn't really matter because AFAIK Mastodon rejects all posts from outside with over 100,000 characters.<br><br>But I don't post images here anymore because Hubzilla cannot make Mastodon blank out sensitive images. I have two channels for images on (streams) now which <em>can</em> make Mastodon hide images, @<a class="" href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:key:z6Mkmc3YmgUu5jTyhc6YqC8VjnMwmFtdjFFA45MHTqyBFaA2/actor" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland's (streams) outlet</a> and @<a class="" href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:key:z6Mkf2dhUa65zBYCNVqs3AHyt8uPixauZ7bPzEJn15LJANsd/actor" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter's Fedi-Memes on (streams)</a>. (streams) has a fixed character limit of over 24,000,000 that's defined by database field size.<br><br>That is, I rarely post images nowadays. Explaining my Fediverse memes is tedious enough already. But properly describing and explaining my original virtual world images so that everyone gets them takes up so much time and energy (one image post always takes up several hours, and I touch-type on a hardware keyboard) that there are practically always months between two image posts.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">accessibility group</a> @<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/a11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a11y group</a><br><br>New rant/article:<br><br><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e63be04-d96e-412a-ab47-aff18c5f9ad8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I have learned a lot about describing images according to Mastodon's standards, and I want to share my knowledge, but I haven't learned enough</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Inclusion" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inclusion</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a>
Nervensäge 💐<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pixelfed.social/hortusfox" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>hortusfox</span></a></span> <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/alternativeText" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>alternativeText</span></a> <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/imageDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>imageDescription</span></a> <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/blind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>blind</span></a> <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/accessibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>accessibility</span></a> <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/inclusion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>inclusion</span></a><br>Currently I can't see any alt text on this image.<br>There are people here who participate in Mastodon with a screen reader. In order to be able to imagine what has been posted, they need an image description as detailed as possible. You enter that when you upload the image. <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/AltTextMovement" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AltTextMovement</span></a></p><p><a href="https://supercooldesign.co.uk/blog/how-to-write-good-alt-text" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">supercooldesign.co.uk/blog/how</span><span class="invisible">-to-write-good-alt-text</span></a></p>
Karen J Carlisle<p>Live in Victoria?<br>Join me at Clunes Booktown Festival 22-23rd March, 2025.<br><a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/589295070701805" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">facebook.com/events/5892950707</span><span class="invisible">01805</span></a><br>If you're arriving by train, or from the showground carpark, I'm at the Wesley College Bluestone on the left as you enter via Service Street - at #48<br>.<br>[<a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/imageDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>imageDescription</span></a>: 2 images. 1: orange background with Victorian buildings. TEXT: 22z23rd March, 2025 Clunes Booktown Festival. Save the date. 2: Map.of Booktown precinct with speech bubble text: Find fantastic Indie books at Wesley College Bluestone. ]<br>.<br><a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/Clunes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Clunes</span></a> ClunesBooktownFestival <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/VictoriaEvent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VictoriaEvent</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/AussieAuthor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AussieAuthor</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/bookEvent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bookEvent</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/countryAustralia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>countryAustralia</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/TwixtmasIsComing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TwixtmasIsComing</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/indieAuthor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>indieAuthor</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/eventMap" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eventMap</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/eventDirections" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eventDirections</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/useCapitalsInHashtagsForAccessibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>useCapitalsInHashtagsForAccessibility</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/useImageDescriptionForAccessibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>useImageDescriptionForAccessibility</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/useAltText" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>useAltText</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/speculativeFiction" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>speculativeFiction</span></a></p>
binchicken<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mas.to/@oblique_strategies" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>oblique_strategies</span></a></span> <br><a href="https://theblower.au/tags/ImageDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ImageDescription</span></a><br>a white card with round edges, carelessly laying on top of a keyboard. <br>in black, in a minimal, sans serif font it reads, "Where's the edge? Where does the frame start?"</p>
rain truther<p>I have a question regarding <a href="https://todon.nl/tags/accessibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>accessibility</span></a> and <a href="https://todon.nl/tags/AltText" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AltText</span></a> / <a href="https://todon.nl/tags/ImageDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ImageDescription</span></a> / <a href="https://todon.nl/tags/MediaDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MediaDescription</span></a>.</p><p>I need to come up with an image description for the attached image for my job. I'm at a complete loss. This is alt text nightmare mode.</p><p>Are there established methods for describing complex figures such as this one? </p><p>I would be very happy about some input from people who actually need image descriptions.</p>
Kat*<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@streetartutopia" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>streetartutopia</span></a></span> <a href="https://norden.social/tags/ALT4U" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ALT4U</span></a> <a href="https://norden.social/tags/ALT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ALT</span></a> for <a href="https://norden.social/tags/blind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>blind</span></a> people <a href="https://norden.social/tags/screenreader" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>screenreader</span></a> <a href="https://norden.social/tags/ImageDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ImageDescription</span></a> </p><p>The picture shows an abstract portrait of a person wearing a dark suit and a red tie. The face is distorted and blurred, with red and white colour tones that look like tears or blood running down. The mouth is wide open in rage. The background is blurred and has brown and grey tones. The overall style of the picture is gloomy and horror-inducing.</p>
Kat*<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@streetartutopia" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>streetartutopia</span></a></span> <a href="https://norden.social/tags/ALT4U" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ALT4U</span></a> <a href="https://norden.social/tags/ALT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ALT</span></a> <a href="https://norden.social/tags/ImageDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ImageDescription</span></a> in this photo for blind people </p><p>(provided by @altbot @fuzzies.wtf with text correction)</p>
FiXato<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@ottaross" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ottaross</span></a></span> may I present the late <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/ShivaTheMeerkat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ShivaTheMeerkat</span></a> aka <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/ShivaTheCat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ShivaTheCat</span></a> ? 😅</p><p>(<a href="https://toot.cat/tags/ImageDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ImageDescription</span></a>: a cat standing upright on her hind legs in front of a window, with her front paws pulled up against her body as if she were a Meerkat. Flowers and a lava lamp can be seen on either side of her.)</p>
FiXato<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://toot.cat/@woozle" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>woozle</span></a></span> reminds me of this <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/comic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>comic</span></a></p><p><a href="https://toot.cat/tags/DescribedMedia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DescribedMedia</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/imageDescription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>imageDescription</span></a></p>
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