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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://birdbutt.com/@vulgalour" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">vulgalour</a> First of all, "image description" and "alt-text" don't mean the same thing. Alt-text is what's added directly to the image. It's what screen readers used by blind or visually-impaired people read out loud as they can't "read out loud" an image. It's what people see instead of the image if the image doesn't show for them (text-based client, too slow Internet connection, whatever). Alt-text should never convey more information than the image which it is a replacement for. An image description that goes into the post itself is not alt-text. I don't see any rule or part of the "Fediquette" or "Mastodon culture" that speaks against adding that additional information to a reply. Whether it works or not depends on whether your customers accept it or not. I guess that 99% of your aspiring customers in the Fediverse will be on Mastodon, only see your start post and not be bothered to check the replies. So my suggestion is to leave room in the original post for tellling your customers that prices can be found in a reply to that post. But seeing as this will happen to you a lot, it may be worth looking for someplace that offers you more than 500 characters: <ul><li>a Mastodon instance with a raised character limit</li><li>Pleroma (5,000 characters by default, configurable by the admin)</li><li>Akkoma (5,000 characters by default, configurable by the admin)</li><li>Misskey (3,000 characters, hard-coded; just steer clear of misskey.io)</li><li>the various forks of Misskey and forks of their forks like Iceshrimp or Sharkey (thousands of characters by default, configurable by the admin)</li></ul> If you need a five-digit character count, the best you can do requires basically re-learning the Fediverse, mastering a significantly steeper learning curve and very likely abandoning dedicated apps. Here we're talking about Mike Macgirvin's creations from Friendica (200,000 characters) to Hubzilla (probably even higher) to (streams) and Forte (over 24,000,000 characters). #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mstdn.social/@qurlyjoe" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">qurly(not curly)joe</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@jztusk" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">jz.tusk</a> If you have a lot to describe, and/or if you need to explain your image, the best you can do is to give two descriptions for the same image. A "short", purely visual description in the alt-text, also to satisfy the alt-text police and the Mastodon HOA who demand there be an alt-text for all images, no matter what. And a long, detailed description that includes all explanations, and that goes into the post. Yes, it will exceed 500 characters. But if you regularly have to describe that much, it's best to move someplace with a much higher character limit. Spreading a long description across multiple Mastodon toots can only be a short-term kluge. Misskey offers you hard-coded 3,000 characters. All its forks have configurable character limits which tend to be higher. Akkoma offers you at least 5,000 characters. Friendica offers you 200,000 characters, but adding alt-text isn't as straight-forward as on Mastodon. The limit I have here on Hubzilla is even higher; I don't know how high it is, but it doesn't really matter because AFAIK Mastodon rejects all posts from outside with over 100,000 characters. But I don't post images here anymore because Hubzilla cannot make Mastodon blank out sensitive images. I have two channels for images on (streams) now which can make Mastodon hide images, @<a class="" href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:key:z6Mkmc3YmgUu5jTyhc6YqC8VjnMwmFtdjFFA45MHTqyBFaA2/actor" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland's (streams) outlet</a> and @<a class="" href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:key:z6Mkf2dhUa65zBYCNVqs3AHyt8uPixauZ7bPzEJn15LJANsd/actor" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter's Fedi-Memes on (streams)</a>. (streams) has a fixed character limit of over 24,000,000 that's defined by database field size. That is, I rarely post images nowadays. Explaining my Fediverse memes is tedious enough already. But properly describing and explaining my original virtual world images so that everyone gets them takes up so much time and energy (one image post always takes up several hours, and I touch-type on a hardware keyboard) that there are practically always months between two image posts. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>

Jeff SikesIceShrimp.NET has a new beta release, and the front end UI is starting to catch up to the back end. Including everyone's favorite, MFM! (Well, maybe not everybody, but between instances with support, it sure is fun in moderation)<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/IceShrimpNet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IceShrimpNet</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Forkeys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Forkeys</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/IceShrimp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IceShrimp</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ActivityPub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a>

Jupiter RowlandHere's another thing that you may not know about <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> and <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> yet: Not only do they have quote-posts, but they also have pretty effective anti-quote-post defences. Hubzilla Hubzilla has a permission setting named "Can source/mirror my public posts in derived channels". It has been there since 2012 when Hubzilla was still a fledgling project named Red, that's 13 years now. Whether someone may quote-post ("share") your public posts depends on the setting in the channel role. If your channel is set to "Public", I think everyone is allowed to share your public posts. If it's set to "Private", you can (and have to) grant that permission to your connections individually by contact role. Those whom you aren't connected to are not allowed to share any of your posts. The "Custom" channel role lets you choose between granting that permission, one out of 17 permissions, to: <ul><li>everyone in the Fediverse</li><li>everyone on Hubzilla and (streams)</li><li>everyone on your home hub</li><li>unconfirmed and confirmed connections</li><li>confirmed connections</li><li>only those whom you individually grant that permission</li><li>nobody but you</li></ul> (streams) (streams) goes even further. As far as I know, it doesn't give you the option to let everyone quote-post any of your posts in the first place. Not only are you always opted out to the point that only you yourself may quote-post your posts, but you can't even fully opt in. No matter if your channel type is "Social - Public" or "Social - Restricted", the only ones who are allowed to quote-post even only your public posts are those of your connections who get the permission from you. Unlike on Hubzilla, however, you don't have to fumble around with permission roles, although you may do so to speed things up. You've also got a dedicated switch for this permission on each connection labelled "Grant permission to republish/mirror your posts". The effect This permission has its strongest effect on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte: If one of their users is not allowed to share one of your posts, the Share button is missing altogether. And there's no real way around the Share button. In fact, the Repeat button is missing, too. If you aren't allowed to quote-post it, you aren't allowed to boost it either. This permission is not about how you may forward someone's content, but whether you may forward it. Unfortunately, Fediverse users probably everywhere else are not affected by this permission. Users of Pleroma, Misskey and their respective forks can still quote-post you to their heart's content. And I've got my doubts that Mastodon will understand this permission when it introduces quote-posts. Then again, it's highly likely that Mastodon's quote-post opt-in or opt-out won't work outside of Mastodon either. Privacy as an extra line of defence If you really want to be safe, you've additionally got the option to not post in public. Any post that isn't public can neither be repeated (boosted) nor shared (quote-posted). Both Hubzilla and (streams) give you the option to send a post to the members of a privacy group/access list (think Mastodon list on coke and 'roids), to a specific group/forum or to any individual selection of connections of yours. (streams) also has Mastodon's option to send a post to all your connections; Hubzilla can emulate that with a privacy group with all your connections in it. Okay, your post will lose a whole lot of reach. But this is a trick that even Mastodon understands in a certain way: If a post from Hubzilla or (streams) has a restricted audience, Mastodon takes it for a PM. And you can't boost PMs, can you? #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotedShares" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotedShares</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePostDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePostDebate</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTootDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTootDebate</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Permissions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Permissions</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a> It isn't just a matter of consent. Besides, for example, I do have quote-post control here on Hubzilla. I can give permission to quote-post my posts to <ul><li>everyone in the Fediverse</li><li>everyone on Hubzilla and (streams)</li><li>everyone on this hub</li><li>approved and unapproved connections</li><li>only approved connections</li><li>only those of my connections whom I explicitly give permission by contact role</li><li>nobody but myself</li></ul> Over on (streams), I can still give that permission to <ul><li>everyone in the Fediverse</li><li>all my connections</li><li>only myself + specific connections whom I grant that permission either by permission role or by individual connection settings</li></ul> It's much more a matter of technology. Mastodon is about to completely re-invent the wheel with a non-standard, Mastodon-only setting. This setting will only work within Mastodon simply because it probably won't even be documented anywhere, especially not before it's officially rolled out. There simply is no way that every last instance of Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc. will have that setting implemented before Mastodon rolls it out so that even the users on mastodon.social are perfectly safe from the first second on. Besides, @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a>, creator of Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte and still the only maintainer of the latter two, will never introduce proprietary Mastodon features to them. He'd rather risk (streams) and Forte becoming incompatible with Mastodon. The same goes for @<a class="" href="https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mario Vavti</a> and @<a class="" href="https://hub.volse.no/channel/harald" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Harald Eilertsen</a>, Hubzilla's main maintainers. If Mastodon wants to become a perfectly safe haven against unallowed quote-posting, it has only got one choice: It must introduce something like (streams)' and Forte's user agent filter and use it to block just everything that isn't Mastodon. Like, include a hard-coded allowlist that only includes Mastodon plus what little can't quote or quote-post anyway. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CherryPick" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CherryPick</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" 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href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTootDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTootDebate</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a> @<a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stefan Bohacek</a> Keep one thing in mind: Mastodon may not have quote-posts yet. But the Fediverse has quote-posts right now. And it has had them since before Mastodon was made. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc., they all have quote-posts. They're all fully capable of quote-posting any Mastodon toot. None of them has introduced quote-posts to harass Twitter refugees on Mastodon. At least Friendica and Hubzilla have had quote-posts since long before Mastodon was even made. <blockquote>You will be able to choose whether your posts can be quoted at all.</blockquote> At least by Mastodon users. But since this will be Mastodon re-inventing the wheel with brand-new, proprietary, Mastodon-only technology, everything I've listed above will still be able to quote-post anyone and anything on Mastodon with zero resistance. To quote-post myself and the guy who invented Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte: <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland?f=&zid=mstdn.social%40mstdn.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland?f=&zid=mstdn.social%40mstdn.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4b01693c-31f5-4998-80f2-2ee530201190?f=&zid=mstdn.social%40mstdn.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> Sat, 20 Jul 2024 01:29:11 +0200 I think I've just chased someone out of the Fediverse. That someone was afraid of Mastodon being "screwed over" by becoming quote-post-able. I've told him the truth: Mastodon has been quote-post-able for as long as it has been around. Mastodon became quote-post-able the very moment it was launched. That's because when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated with Friendica which is from 2010, which had been around for almost six years at that point, and which has had quote-posts from its own inception AFAIK. Mastodon also immediately federated with Hubzilla which has had quote-posts since its own inception, since it had been forked from Friendica, and that was in 2012. Mastodon has never been un-quote-post-able. Right now, there are dozens of Fediverse server apps whose users can quote-post Mastodon toots with no resistance. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotedShares" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotedShares</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePostDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePostDebate</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTootDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTootDebate</a> <a href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev?f=&zid=mstdn.social%40mstdn.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev?f=&zid=mstdn.social%40mstdn.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://fediversity.site/item/6e7c3fd2-1de5-4a08-8455-4d5689a9f658?f=&zid=mstdn.social%40mstdn.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> Sat, 20 Jul 2024 03:18:39 +0200 The closest you'll ever get to making Mastodon un-quote-postable is to post privately. Not unlisted. Private. Most fediverse software will honour this today; and it doesn't require yet another "pretend permission". Like unlisted. And Mike should know. He brought things to the Fediverse like actually working permissions. Including permissions on two levels to quote-post any content on a channel. Readily available right now at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. Also, this is what people on Friendica and its descendants have been using quote-posts for since 2010. <blockquote>You will be notified when someone quotes you.</blockquote> You already are when someone on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte quote-posts one of your posts. As for Pleroma, Misskey and their forks, you aren't notified right now, and I've got my doubts that you will be after this change. Also, "quote" and "quote-post" are two different things. Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can do both. "Quote" is what I'm doing right here. Whether or not you're notified depends on whether or not you're mentioned. And blocking quotes is even less possible. A quote only consists of a pair of BBcode tags plus the quoted text in-between. And on Friendica and all its descendants, you don't work with a WYSIWYG editor by default, but you have to get your hands dirty on raw markup code. <blockquote>You will be able to withdraw your post from the quoted context at any time.</blockquote> Again, probably not if someone on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks quote-posts you. And definitely not if someone on Friendica or one of its descendants quote-posts you. The difference is that a quote-post on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks is actually a reference to the original. On Friendica and its descendants, a quote-post is an automatically generated dumb copy of the original. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CherryPick" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CherryPick</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotedShares" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotedShares</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePostDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePostDebate</a> #<a class="" 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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://masto.ai/@danieldekay" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel de Kay</a> @<a href="https://blog.taursnd.haus/profile/vextaur" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">🌴 Seph 💭 👾</a> The *keys simply have many more users. This means they have many more potential developers. This means they have many more people who say, "I don't like it the way it is, the devs won't make it the way I want it to be, so I'm going to fork it." There are dozens of Misskey forks and Misskey fork forks. In the Friendica family, it's almost a wonder that Friendica and Hubzilla have found new maintainers. Every last fork in the family, and there were quite a lot, was made by Mike himself. After the streams repository was created, the family had eight members, six of which were officially maintained by Mike. Even though three were identical in all but branding. Granted, there were few reasons for users to fork anything made by Mike. What would they have wanted? As many features as possible, much like Sharkey? Well, Hubzilla already covers that. All-new features? No need to fork an entire project. All of them from Mistpark to Forte were and are modular and can be expanded with third-party add-ons, so you can simply make an add-on and put it into your own third-party repository, and admins can add your repository to their servers. Reduce the number of features? Do that on an admin level and disable add-ons. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://blog.taursnd.haus/profile/vextaur" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">🌴 Seph 💭 👾</a> @<a href="https://yiff.life/@mercymorbid" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mercy is now Mercy Again</a> <ul><li>Calckey is deader than dead. It was forked into Firefish in 2023. Only few instances are still alive because their admins refused to move them to Firefish, and their numbers are dwindling further.</li><li>Firefish itself is dead. Official support and development ended on New Year's Eve. This month, the official server with the code repository and the lighthouse instance is scheduled to be shut down.</li><li>Sharkey is the most feature-rich. But first of all, its Mastodon client API implementation is said to be notoriously horrible. It seems to be difficult to connect it to a Mastodon app. Its developers are kind of shady; ask @<a href="https://misskey.de/@Linux_Is_Best" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Linux Is Best</a> a.k.a. @<a href="https://mastodon.au/@Linux" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Linux Is Best</a>. Lastly, Sharkey's development is cosying up to Mastodon; the goal is to make it more like Mastodon. Not everyone likes that.</li><li>CherryPick is sometimes recommended. But it's a Japanese project just like Misskey itself, and AFAIK, except for one instance in the USA, all CherryPick instances are hosted in the greater Tokyo and Seoul areas.</li><li>A more common recommendation is Iceshrimp, and it seems to have the brightest future. It will soon no longer be a Misskey fork. It's currently being re-written from scratch in C# which appears to be the best way to get rid of the many issues that all Forkeys have inherited from Misskey. Its only "disadvantages" may be fewer features than Sharkey (but still more than Misskey) and its coming reliance on "Microsoft technology".</li></ul> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CherryPick" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CherryPick</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp.NET" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp.NET</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://dresden.network/users/ueckueck" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ückück :ueckueck::pd::af:</a> Im Moment komme ich leider kaum aus Hamburg raus. Aber falls du mal in der Gegend bist... Oder du klinkst dich mal in die Fediverse-Sprechstunde am letzten Donnerstag im Monat mit ein, wenn du Zeit hast, der läuft über BigBlueButton. <blockquote>Vielleicht ein kleiner Trost, aber zumindest bei meinen Workshops war das Interesse der Neulinge an den anderen Textdiensten doch größer, als an Mastodon, aber die sind sicher nicht repräsentativ.</blockquote> Gut vorstellbar. @<a href="https://moppels.bar/@crossgolf_rebel" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts</a>s Vortrag über die *keys ist ja aktuell auch sehr gefragt. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LangerPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LangerPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLangerPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLangerPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseSprechstunde" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseSprechstunde</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@JustBobtholomew" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">JustBob</a> Discord has completely warped the term "server" for entire generations of Internet users. On Discord, "server" means "chatroom". In the Fediverse, "server" doesn't mean "chatroom". It means "<a href="https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/what-is-server/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">server</a>". A computer. For example, <a href="https://www.trentonsystems.com/en-us/resource-hub/blog/what-is-a-rack-server" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a rack computer with no screen and no keyboard and no mouse bolted into a server rack at a data centre</a>. Or <a href="https://www.xda-developers.com/turn-old-laptop-into-home-server/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">an old laptop that someone had lying around</a> or <a href="https://www.raspberrypi.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a Raspberry Pi mini-computer</a> running at someone's home, connected to their landline. On each one of these, a big or small Twitter can be running (Mastodon). Or a wholly different Twitter (Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko...). (Here's the first important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.) Or a Facebook with a side of a blog and a cloud server (Friendica, (streams), Forte). (Here's the second important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: The Fediverse is not only short-form microblogging. Look at this comment. Look at what I've done. Embedded links. Bold type. Impossible on Mastodon. But possible elsewhere in the Fediverse.) Or a Facebook meets WordPress meets Google Cloud Services meets even more stuff on top (Hubzilla; this is where I am). Or an Instagram (Pixelfed). Or a YouTube (PeerTube). Or a Twitch (Owncast). Or a Reddit (Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed). Or a Goodreads (BookWyrm). Or whatever. There are over 150 different server applications in the Fediverse. mastodon.social, where you are, is only one of over 10,000 big and small Twitters of the same kind (Mastodon). If Mastodon was like Discord, all 10,000+ Mastodon servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc. If the Fediverse was like Discord, all 30,000+ Fediverse servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc. Also, they would be fully identical in functionality. But as I've said above: They're all running on their own separate machines. With their own separate owners. And the different server applications have different developers, and they are being developed independently from one another. Okay, now comes the kicker: These server applications are not walled up against one another. Not only are all instances of the same server applications (e.g. Mastodon) connected to each other, but all instances of one server application are also connected to all instances of all the other server applications. Imagine you're on Twitter. But your new friend is on Facebook. You can't follow a Facebook user on Twitter, and you can't follow a Twitter user on Facebook. In the Fediverse, you can. You can be on Twitter. And follow a Facebook user. Directly from Twitter. Without a Facebook account. Only that they aren't named Twitter and Facebook in the Fediverse. Twitter is named Mastodon or Pleroma or Akkoma or Misskey or Calckey or Firefish or Iceshrimp or Sharkey or Catodon or... There are dozens of Twitter alternatives in the Fediverse. Well, and Facebook is named Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams) or Forte. You can be on Mastodon. And you can follow Friendica accounts. From Mastodon. Without a Friendica account. This comment is a very good example. You are on <a href="https://joinmastodon.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>, created by @<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/Gargron" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eugen Rochko</a> in 2016 as an alternative to Twitter that aimed to be as close to Twitter as possible. The server that you're on, <a href="https://mastodon.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mastodon.social</a>, is owned by Mastodon, Inc. and running on one or multiple rack servers in San Francisco, California, USA owned by <a href="https://fastly.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fastly</a>. I am on <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>, created by @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> in 2012 by forking his own <a href="https://friendi.ca" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> from 2010, and currently mainly maintained by @<a class="" href="https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mario Vavti</a> and @<a class="" href="https://hub.volse.no/channel/harald" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Harald Eilertsen</a>. Hubzilla has got nothing to do with Mastodon whatsoever. It started out as an alternative to Facebook, but not a clone, rather better than Facebook, with full-blown long-form blogging capability and a built-in file storage, and it has been enhanced greatly in functionality even beyond that. The server that I'm on, <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/siteinfo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Netzgemeinde</a>, is owned and administered by @<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/buckaroo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mark Nowiasz</a>, who has no affiliation with the Hubzilla developers, and running on a rack server in Nuremberg, Germany owned by <a href="https://www.netcup.com/en" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Netcup</a>. And yet, you can see this comment coming from Hubzilla on Mastodon. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Server" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Server</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Instance" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instance</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Meisskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Meisskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Tanukey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tanukey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Neko" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Neko</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PeerTube" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PeerTube</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Owncast" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Owncast</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%2Fkbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">/kbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PieFed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PieFed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=BookWyrm" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">BookWyrm</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Jeff SikesI just love the fediverse. Where else can you find NEW features that include a flash player?! So fun. Plus some serious good stuff like rate limiting and abandoned instance guardrails.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Forkeys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Forkeys</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FediApps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediApps</a> <a href="https://shonk.social/notes/a2fg9w09qjq5000e" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://shonk.social/notes/a2fg9w09qjq5000e</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://newsmast.social/@newsmast" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Newsmast Foundation</a> It's next to impossible to cover everything anyway. You'd have to follow a lot of sources. Not everything gets reposted/repeated/boosted/renoted; for example, Mike Macgirvin's development news are always private. And how do you, as a newscaster, want to keep up with the constant creation of new Forkeys? #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mkultra.x27.one/@aliceif" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">aliceif</a> <blockquote>This is also why I find the western Misskey forks' desire to pander to mobile users by trying to function with existing Mastodon Clients so counterproductive - the Mastodon Clients often just don't care. They really only are for Mastodon and everything else is "good luck have fun".</blockquote> Or rather, "Wait, you exist?!" And IIRC, Misskey has its own client API. Aria seems to be the shooting star mobile app for the *keys. <blockquote>Frontless servers to me are a bad idea, as things stand - despite the appeal in speeding up initial development.</blockquote> In this regard, Pleroma and Akkoma are the best of both worlds. Headless server, own client API, respective official frontend has its own repository, but you may install third-party frontends instead. And Mangane is actually (also) built against the *omas. "Akkomane" is a thing. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AriaApp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AriaApp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PleromaFE" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PleromaFE</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AkkomaFE" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AkkomaFE</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mangane" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mangane</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkomane" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkomane</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mstdn.social/@searchparty" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">searchparty</a> <blockquote>Ich mag’s, dass das alles existiert.</blockquote> Das ist schon mal positiv. Es gibt Leute, die sich so an ein reines Mastodon-Fediverse gewöhnt haben, daß sie alles, was anders ist, als störende Eindringlinge empfinden und wieder weg haben wollen. <blockquote>Ich hab nur gar nicht so viel Sehnsucht nach Ersatzdiensten für Facebook, Insta, Wasweissich. Entgeht mir da was?</blockquote> Na ja, auf eine Art schon. Was nicht Mastodon ist, ist ja auch nicht Mastodon mit einer anderen Oberfläche. Das kann schon ziemlich anders sein. Zunächst mal sind so Features wie Textformatierung, Zitate oder Drükos/Drukos und sehr viel höhere oder gar keine Zeichenlimits außerhalb von Mastodon gang und gäbe. So manch jemand, der bis dahin das Fediverse als reines Vanilla-Mastodon-Netzwerk ansah, kriegt ja einen Riesenschreck, wenn das erste Mal ein Beitrag mit deutlich über 500 Zeichen auftaucht. Oder mit einem Zitat. Oder mit einer Stichpunkteliste. Oder mit Kursivschrift, aber es ist keine Unicode-Trickserei. Schon im Microblogging-Bereich gibt's einiges, das ziemlich anders ist als Mastodon. @<a href="https://moppels.bar/@crossgolf_rebel" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts</a> ist ja auf einer der letzten verbliebenen Instanzen von Calckey. Das ist ein Fork des japanischen Misskey, der eigentlich letztes Jahr durch Firefish ersetzt wurde. Misskey hat schon 3000 Zeichen, die wie auf Mastodon hartgecodet sind. Bei den diversen Forkeys (Calckey/Firefish, Sharkey, CherryPick, Iceshrimp, Catodon usw. usf.) liegen die Limits mindestens auf dem Niveau, wenn nicht höher, sind aber durch den Admin konfigurierbar. Interessanterweise sind Misskey und die Forkeys (wobei Iceshrimp allmählich kein Fork mehr ist) in der Handhabung trotzdem, und obwohl sie auch noch Features wie Textformatierung mittels einer erweiterten Variante von Markdown und eine sehr konfigurierbare Oberfläche haben, dichter an Prä-Musk-Twitter, als es Mastodon ist. Eine Mehrspaltenansicht à la TweetDeck haben Mastodon und die *keys, aber vor allem bei denjenigen Forkeys, die gegenüber Misskey noch Extrafeatures haben, kannst du damit mehr anstellen. Die richtig großen Keulen sind dann die von Mike Macgirvin über gute 14 Jahre auf den Weg gebrachten (mehr oder weniger) Facebook-Alternativen. Friendica existiert schon seit 2010 und hatte von Anfang an schon eine sagenhafte Feature-Palette. Während Mastodon versucht, Twitter nachzuäffen, hat Friendica nie versucht, Facebook nachzuäffen, sondern eher, besser als Facebook zu sein. So gibt's da beispielsweise auch alles, was man zum Bloggen bräuchte. Zeichenlimits gibt's nicht, gab's nie. Dafür gibt's die volle Palette an Textformatierung per erweitertem BBcode. Es gibt einen eingebauten Filespace, wo man z. B. Bilder hochladen und dann beliebig viele davon in Posts einbetten kann, also mit Text darüber und Text darunter, statt wie auf Mastodon nur vier davon als Dateien anhängen zu können. Man kann Friendica-Konten auch als moderierte Diskussionsgruppen verwenden, ähnlich wie Gruppen auf Facebook. Die Erfahrung hat gezeigt, daß Friendica-Gruppen mit großen Teilen des Fediverse kompatibel sind bis hin zu Mastodon, nur daß es besonders für Mastodon-Nutzer nicht ganz straight-forward ist, einen Thread zu starten. Friendicas eigentliches Killerfeature war aber immer, daß es stets versucht hat, sich mit allen möglichen Sachen zu verbinden. Es sollte so eine Art Kommunikationszentrale sein. Friendica kann sich mit diaspora* verbinden, es kann sich über OStatus mit den Sachen verbinden, die es noch haben, man kann zu WordPress und kompatiblen Blogs crossposten, man kann RSS- und Atom-Feeds abonnieren, und man kann auch per E-Mail oder XMPP kommunizieren. Man kann auch ein Tumblr- oder Bluesky-Konto ins Friendica-Konto einbinden und sich dann damit bidirektional verbinden, ganz ohne Bridge. Theoretisch ginge das sogar mit 𝕏, wenn der Node-Betreiber ein Multimillionär wäre, der sich die API-Lizenz leisten kann. Und ab 2012 ging es kurzzeitig sogar mit Facebook, bis Facebook das unterbunden hat. Über Friendica gäbe es noch einiges mehr zu erzählen, was da geht. So manch einer sieht es als das Schweizer Taschenmesser des Fediverse. Aber wenn Friendica das Schweizermesser ist, dann ist Hubzilla das Leatherman. Hubzilla ist nämlich noch heftiger. Es wird bezeichnet als "dezentrales soziales Content Management System" und vereinigt entsprechend viele Funktionalitäten unter einem Dach. Hubzilla fing ja 2012 an als ein Friendica-Fork namens Red, dann Red Matrix, und war zunächst einmal nicht viel mehr als Friendica mit <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Nomadic_identity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">nomadischer Identität</a>, <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Channels_(Hubzilla_%26_(streams))" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mehreren separaten Kanälen/Identitäten pro Konto</a> und einem ziemlich mächtigen und detaillierten Berechtigungssystem. 2015 wurde es dann in Hubzilla umbenannt und entsprechend featuremäßig zur eierlegenden Wollmilchsau aufgebohrt. Man könnte Hubzilla jetzt für alles Mögliche und Unmögliche nehmen. Beispielsweise habe ich auf diesem Kanal <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/articles/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">einige nicht föderierte Artikel</a> und <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/wiki/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">zwei Wikis</a>. Und <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">die offizielle Hubzilla-Website</a> ist selbst Teil eines Hubzilla-Kanals. @<a class="" href="https://hub.hubzilla.hu/channel/pepecyb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂ ⚝</a> hat Hubzilla sehr gut und sehr detailreich in seiner <a href="https://info.hubzilla.hu/de/ueber.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla KnowledgeDB</a> erklärt. Danach folgte von 2018 bis 2021 eine ganze Reihe von Forks, bei denen Zusatzfeatures und Verbindungsmöglichkeiten wieder abgespeckt wurden, die aber allmählich technisch und in der Handhabung immer weiter aufgefrischt und modernisiert wurden. Im Oktober 2021 kam dann etwas, was eine ganze Zeitlang als stabil angesehen wurde, was aber auch ziemlich ungewöhnlich ist. Es hat nämlich offiziell, mit voller Absicht und aus guten Gründen keinen Namen, keine Markenidentität, (fast) keine Nodeinfo, und es wurde ebenso mit voller Absicht in die Public Domain gestellt, während Mike sonst alles unter die MIT-Lizenz gestellt hat. Das Code-Repository brauchte aber zwingend einen Namen. Mike hat es Streams genannt, und so wird auch die Anwendung nicht ganz offiziell (streams) genannt, inklusive der Klammern. Kürzlich hat Mike die Readme-Datei aktualisiert, <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams/src/branch/release/README.md" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">die ist echt lesenswert</a>. Okay, seit Osada und Zap von 2018 hat die Familie keine Artikel mehr, keine Karten, keine Wikis, keine Webpages, der Kalender ist vereinfacht worden usw. Das ganze Zeug gab es ja eh schon auf Hubzilla, und Mike wollte wieder zurück zu reinem Social Networking. Dafür hat er aber die Handhabung vereinfacht, verschlankt und der Realität angepaßt, vor allem auch der Realität eines Fediverse, das mehr und mehr von ActivityPub dominiert wurde. Deswegen hat (streams) eine bessere ActivityPub-Integration als Hubzilla. Auf beiden ist ActivityPub optional, aber auf (streams) ist es in den Kern eingegossen, und (streams) kann es sich im Gegensatz zu Hubzilla erlauben, ActivityPub standardmäßig in neuen Kanälen zu aktivieren. Ganz besonders die Berechtigungssteuerung ist vereinfacht und entschlackt und ermöglicht eine direktere Kontrolle darüber, welcher Kontakt was darf. Gleichzeitig ist (streams) aber auch sicherer, weil es nicht mehr möglich ist, den ganzen Kanal auf öffentlich zu schalten. (streams) wird heute noch von Mike mehr oder weniger weiterentwickelt. Aber mit Forte hat er seit August noch ein weiteres Eisen im Feuer. Forte ist im Prinzip (streams), aber es unterstützt nur noch ActivityPub. Das heißt auch, daß auf Forte nomadische Identität rein über ActivityPub abgewickelt wird und nicht mehr über ein eigens dafür entwickeltes Protokoll. Deswegen ist Forte noch nicht öffentlich, ebenso wie übrigens die Entwicklerversion des Microblogging-Projekts Mitra, in der auch nomadische Identität eingebaut wird. Aller Komplexität zum Trotze kann man, wenn man will, alle vier natürlich auch zum Microbloggen nehmen. Darüber hinaus gibt's im Fediverse noch in andere Richtungen spezialisierte Sachen, die also nichts mit Microblogging oder Social Networking zu tun haben. Mit Lemmy, dem dahinsiechenden /kbin, Mbin, PieFed und dem in Entwicklung befindlichen Sublinks gibt es etwa eine ganze Anzahl an Alternativen zu Reddit oder auch Hacker News. Mit WriteFreely und Plume gibt's zwei spezialisierte Blogginganwendungen im Stil von Medium. Plume ist von den Features her eigentlich besser, wird aber im Moment nicht weiterentwickelt. Außerdem sind inzwischen viele WordPress-Blogs ans Fediverse angebunden. PeerTube präsentiert sich als Alternative zu YouTube mit einer Prise Peer-to-Peer zwischen den Instanzen, inklusive Livestreaming. Rein auf Livestreaming à la Twitch spezialisiert ist Owncast. Ganz neu ist Loops als TikTok-Ersatz vom Macher unter anderem von Pixelfed und der FediDB, das föderiert aber noch nicht. Im Audiobereich gibt's Funkwhale, wo man im Prinzip alles hochladen kann, aber nur lizenzmäßig freie Sachen öffentlich machen sollte, das noch recht junge Bandwagon als Bandcamp-Alternative und Castopod speziell für Podcasts wie z. B. das auch von @<a href="https://moppels.bar/@crossgolf_rebel" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts</a> gefeaturete <a href="https://podcasts.homes/@randow_reloaded" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Radio Randow</a>. Es gibt noch einiges mehr, z. B. Mobilizon für kooperative Eventplanung, BookWyrm als GoodReads-Ersatz oder, auch noch recht neu, Flohmarkt, das ziemlich genau das ist, wonach es sich anhört. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LangerPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LangerPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLangerPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLangerPost</a> #<a class="" 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Jeff SikesFirefish is dead! Long live Firefish2!<a href="https://git.zvava.org/zvava/firefish2" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://git.zvava.org/zvava/firefish2</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Firefish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Firefish</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Forkeys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Forkeys</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a class="" href="https://hub.utsukta.org/channel/sk" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">SK</a> Even more hilarious when you consider that Misskey and all the Forkeys are actually closer in UX to the Birdcage than Mastodon that tried so hard to clone it. Not in philosophy, but in UX. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Twitter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Twitter</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%F0%9D%95%8F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">𝕏</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://digitalcourage.social/@chbmeyer" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ch M[ae][iy]e?r 🖤🤍</a> <blockquote>Die Misskey-Familie ist am leistungsfähigsten, aber stark fragmentiert. Firefish und Calkey sind "tot"?</blockquote> Firefish ist Calckey. Oder war es. Ich versuche mal, die Geschichte nachzuzeichnen: Calckey entstand, indem Kainoa Kanter einen Soft-Fork von Misskey angelegt hat. Damals war es noch üblich, daß jeder Forkey einen Namen mit "-key" am Ende hat (FoundKey, Meisskey, Tanukey etc.). Das war im Grunde immer ein Soloprojekt. Es gab noch ein paar Extra-Entwickler. Aber: Nur Kainoa durfte in den Release-Code einpflegen und neue Versionen rausbringen, außerdem gehörten Kainoa die Domain der Website, die Domain des Code-Repository und die Domain der Leuchtturminstanz, die auch nur Kainoa administrierte. Anfang 2023, eigentlich war Akkoma gerade der heiße Scheiß, schob ein einzelner Calckey-Fan mit massiver Werbung einen Calckey-Hype an. Weil sich die Leute reihenweise auf Calckey stürzten, kam der Gedanke auf, für ein so populäres Projekt ist "Calckey" eigentlich ein doofer Name. Also wurde Calckey in Firefish umbenannt. Im Oktober 2023 ist Kainoa dann ziemlich komplett von der Bildfläche verschwunden, jedenfalls komplett aus dem Fediverse. Monatelang überhaupt gar nichts. Zu dem Zeitpunkt war Firefish noch einigermaßen synchron mit Misskey, das auf Version 12 war. Zwischenzeitlich ging Misskey auf Version 13, dann auf Version 14. Aber Firefish zog nicht nach, weil Kainoa nicht da war. Die anderen Devs konnten Patches einreichen, aber nur Kainoa durfte die in den Produktivcode einpflegen. Anfang 2024 war Firefish allmählich kritisch veraltet. Nicht nur das, sondern die Leuchtturminstanz, die mit Abstand größte Instanz kackte komplett ab und funktionierte überhaupt nicht mehr. Außer Kainoa konnte sich da aber niemand drum kümmern. An diesem Punkt wurde Firefish für tot erklärt. Leute sprangen reihenweise ab. Ganze Instanzen migrierten von Firefish zu Sharkey, einem anderen, jüngeren Misskey-Soft-Fork, der vor allem aktueller und aktiv gepflegt war. Ganze Firefish-Instanzen wurden auf Sharkey umgestellt. Meines Wissens waren es die anderen Firefish-Entwickler, die das sinkende Schiff verließen. Sie forkten Firefish zu Iceshrimp, um zumindest ein paar Firefish-Features behalten zu können. Es war ein Hard Fork, weil sie eh nicht damit rechneten, daß mit Firefish noch irgendwas passiert. Und sie haben Iceshrimp praktisch unmittelbar nach den Fork nach Misskey rebaset, um den "Unterbau" vom asbach-uralten Misskey 12 auf Misskey 14 hochziehen zu können. Im Frühjahr ist Kainoa wieder aufgetaucht. Der Grund für die Auszeit war ein Abschluß und ein Jobeinstieg. Und jetzt sollte es mit Firefish weitergehen. Nur war vom alten Firefish nicht mehr viel übrig. Und wohl erst jetzt erfuhr Kainoa, daß alle anderen Entwickler abgesprungen waren und nicht gedachten zurückzukehren. Letztlich gab Kainoa den Quellcode an eine neue Entwicklerin ab, Naskya. Aber nur den Code. Die drei Domains mitsamt dranhängenden Websites zu übertragen, war wohl zuviel Aufwand. Kainoa hat alle drei abgeschaltet, weshalb die meisten Leute glauben, Firefish sei tot, weil die ganzen alten Weblinks nicht mehr funktionieren. Naskya hat vorher den Quellcode auf ein neues Repository gesichert. Das aktuelle Firefish ist also rein technisch gesprochen ein Fork des alten Firefish unter demselben Namen. Außerdem hat Naskya eine neue Leuchtturminstanz gestartet auf einer Unterdomain des Repository. Letzten Monat hat sie dann bekanntgegeben, daß es viel zuviel Aufwand ist, Firefish ganz alleine zu pflegen, und Hilfe hat sie ja keine. So kann sie das unmöglich weiterführen. Also hat sie die Weiterentwicklung von Firefish gestoppt. Es wird jetzt nur noch gewartet und auch das nur bis Jahresende, dann ist mit Entwicklung Schluß. Und im Februar 2025 werden Code-Repository und Leuchtturminstanz abgeschaltet. <blockquote>Gibt es da irgendwelche Tendenzen, das zu Einen?</blockquote> Absolut nicht. Im allgemeinen sind Forkeys, die direkt von Misskey geforkt wurden, entstanden, um mehr Features an Misskey dranzukleben. So auch Calckey. Die Idee hinter Sharkey war wohl quasi, den ultimativen Forkey zu bauen. Sharkey ist ein Misskey-Soft-Fork, wo teilweise Sachen aus Calckey/Firefish drangebaut wurden und zusätzlich noch Eigengezüchtetes. Iceshrimp startete als der Versuch, einen stabilen Ersatz für Firefish zu haben. Es wurde von Firefish hartgeforkt, dann zwecks Aktualisierung der Basis auf das viel aktuellere Misskey rebaset. Dann hat man gemerkt, daß viele Probleme von Misskey selbst geerbt worden waren und es zu aufwendig wäre, die zu flicken. Ich meine, sonst hätte Firefish selbst das gemacht, sonst hätte Sharkey das gemacht oder wer auch immer. Also haben die Entwickler Iceshrimp auf Wartung gesetzt, die Weiterentwicklung komplett gestoppt und sich drangesetzt, das ganze Iceshrimp von Grund auf neu zu schreiben. Und zwar nicht mehr in TypeScript und Node.js, weil JavaScript für Serveranwendungen Käse ist, sondern in C#. Zwischenzeitlich ist von Iceshrimp Catodon geforkt worden. Das hat wieder einen anderen Fokus, und zwar will es ein Forkey für Mastodon-Umsteiger sein. Mit einem ähnlichen Featuresatz wie Mastodon, also mit viel Firefish- und sogar Misskey-Klimbim rausgeschmissen und mit Mastodons Standard-Weboberfläche. Catodons Entwicklung ist meines Wissens auch gestoppt, ich glaube, die warten darauf, daß Iceshrimp.NET fertig wird, damit sie Catodon darauf rebasen können. Dann gibt's noch CherryPick, einen japanischen Sharkey-Fork. Der hat sich zum Ziel gesetzt, die Macken, die das völlig überzüchtete Sharkey hat, auszubügeln. Das ist wohl zu großen Teilen auch schon gelungen. Schätze, die CherryPick-Entwickler haben es auch geschafft, Sharkeys legendär grottenschlechte Mastodon-API-Implementation durch die neue zu ersetzen, auf die die Sharkey-Entwickler schon ewig warten. <blockquote>Markdown (Fett, Links, unterstrichen), keine Zeichenbegrenzung und flexiblere Umfragen. Sonst noch was wichtiges?</blockquote> Markdown geht bei Misskey und den Forkeys noch weiter. Zeichenbegrenzung haben sie alle, nur nicht auf 500 Zeichen. Je nach Projekt hast du 3000 hartgecodete Zeichen (Misskey) oder ein paar tausend, aber durch den Admin einstellbar. (Fast) ganz ohne Zeichenbegrenzung sind nur die Sachen von Mike Macgirvin, also Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) und das wohl noch experimentelle noch gar nicht richtig gestartete Forte. Die letzteren beiden haben nur eine durch die Serverdatenbank bedingte Zeichenbegrenzung von über 24.000.000 Zeichen. 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Jeff Sikes<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/TIL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TIL</a> of a new Forkey! Meet CherryPick.<a href="https://github.com/kokonect-link/cherrypick" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/kokonect-link/cherrypick</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/CherryPick" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CherryPick</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Forkeys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Forkeys</a>

Hollo :hollo:Fixed a bug that caused <a class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" href="https://hollo.social/tags/hashtags" target="_blank">#hashtags</a> attached to posts on <a class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" href="https://hollo.social/tags/Hollo" target="_blank">#Hollo</a> to be treated as regular links in <a class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" href="https://hollo.social/tags/Misskey" target="_blank">#Misskey</a> and other <a class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" href="https://hollo.social/tags/Forkeys" target="_blank">#Forkeys</a>!

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