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“Last week I bought polyester bags to reuse on the market and stop using plastic bags.
Now i feel just like a idiot that can't do anything to help”

@stux The quantity that's put here is astonishing...
As usual industries push the blame to the end consumers... and ask them to be the solution for all

@sjw @stux This is not a replacement for twine, it's a replacement for silos. The idea is to make it air-tight so that the stuff inside can ferment, to make silage.

@stux sometimes you just gotta lol 😂
Doing your bit, within what you can control is a strong move! 👊

@stux there does to be fair appear to be a valid reason for doing this - I don't have much knowledge of farming (I'm originally from London 😁 ) so don't know if there could be better alternatives for this process (or whether reducing intensive farming could stop it)

extension.umn.edu/forage-harve

@vfrmedia @stux

6-8 mil of plastic to stop oxygen getting in. Wow that's a lot.

That process is just begging for some disruptive invention that does the job better, cheaper and with something that can be re-used or recycled.

@mackaj @stux

At least in Ireland at least some of it does get recycled (I do not know the recycling rates in UK or USA, but I also don't see piles of the stuff dotted around the countryside here so it must be being collected /somewhere/..)

youtube.com/watch?v=dQQGXoUoCo

@mackaj @vfrmedia @stux In these parts at least, before the advent of wrapped ensilage bales the cut grass for fermentation was packed into a wedge or mound and compressed into shape with the weight of tractors. Rollovers with fatalities were not unknown, tractors in the 1960s & 1970s had no rollover protection systems.

In rarer cases, the silage stack was buried in a hole. The hole or stack was covered by canvas tarpaulins & weighted down with old car tyres to seal against weather & oxygen while the fermentation took place. A well-fermented stack smelled of fine tobacco but most were not that nice.

The attachments are from the mid 1960s on my parents’ dairy farm in southern Victoria, Australia.

Stacks were cut into smaller serving portions with hand-held silage knives or a high-tensile steel wire anchored at one end & drawn tight by a tractor.

The cut mass was then distributed from a trailer or tractor-mounted platform using pitchforks, a very labour-intensive process.

Bales on the other hand are unravelled & spread out by tractor-mounted machinery in a fraction of the time.

@stux ye..
when the word "idiot" is really no longer used by anyone as an insult and has been released for use as a non-harmful word by those who have actually been unjustifiably insulted with it up to now ... until then, please say something else.

@stux why is that even necessary!? 🙄 it was packed already. the plastic lobby really has no shame... and some farmers just don't get it...

@ranx @stux
the hay that is harvested here, gets an injection with a substance that leads to fermenting of the contents. This process has to happen without oxygen, and that's why the hay is so densely packed with this special plastic film.
It's used as feeding for cattle in fall and winter.

@toooobeeee so they do that to prevent the hay to self ignite? here they leave it on the field and move it a coupe of times before compacting it (to prevent fermentation and self ignition) 🤔 probably we're not on a hurry... not as much anyway? 🤷🏻‍♂️ @stux youtu.be/NFJWhXN0cw8

@ranx @stux the steps are as follows:
- harvest (cut)
- let it dry (including turning it around twice or thrice)
- compact and foil it, injection of spores
- wait, until it's ripe for feeding

@toooobeeee yes it's all the same here but the injection of spores, nobody inject anything here (as far as I know). I have friends who are farmers and I've never heard them talking about injecting spores 🙂 @stux

@ranx @stux well, I mentioned that, although I wasn't quite sure. After having read more about it, it seems like the compacted bales are *sometimes* infused with bacteria to start the fermenting process, or to prevent development of detrimental substances along the way.
But our original issue was the amount of plastic foil that is used in this. And I think it's necessary to reach almost complete absence of oxygen in the hay bales.

@toooobeeee this is all we do 🙂 I took the picture this morning while walking around town @stux

@ranx @stux sure, but that's for a completely different purpose 🙏🤌

@toooobeeee ehm... nope. that's freshly baled Medicago Sativa after being dried and it's used to feed cattle @stux en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfalfa

@ranx @stux ... it's still a different kind of fodder, with respect to nutritious value. Some bales are used in spring or summer, but you need other types for fall and winter, for different animals and so forth.
Read it up here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silage, there's a short section on Haylage.
Cheers from Denmark!

@stux I normally try to just focus on my lane and not be worried about what other people do.

In this case .. this machine is hella slow. It was probably very expensive. And it was created probably because someone with too much money wanted to pay some schmuck nothing to do this all day. Let alone how much plastic it uses.

Machines like this should receive all the scorn in the world.

@stux The only kind of plastic film that stands a chance of being recycled is baling plastic, because it is cleaner than post-consumer plastic. npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/h

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