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Speaking of problematic nerd spaces: who's down for CCC this year? Will probably be hanging around the tea house.

@quinn Not going to C3 anymore for the foreseeable future.

Would definitely be interested if you can recommend some other events in Europe, preferably a good bit smaller, but not tiny – IMO CCCamp 2011 (3-4k people if memory serves) was about the ideal event size.

@phryk @quinn perhaps the Dutch camp, WHY2025?
why2025.org/

Or come to Iceland, we might do a tiny camp again at some point in the middle of nowhere.

why2025.orgWhat Hackers Yearn 2025

@rysiek

Been to OHM like 10 years back, nice size, but cops and corporations.

At a latter dutch camp I was too poor and wanted to get a ticket through volunteer work but was told, they'd only decide if I'd get a ticket *after* my contributions – so essentially "work for free and you might not even get to visit the event" and that kinda culture is a *hard pass* for me.

How tiny we talking in Iceland (also what temperatures)? 2 dozen people events a la Camp++ are too small IMO.

// @quinn