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@dansup how to delete loops account pls? I can't watch anything without an app and I don't have a smartphone.

@prahou is it possible to learn the power of not having a smartphone

@ozzelot yes, become a niche content creator living off sticker sales

@prahou @ozzelot
I'm unemployed and although I have a smartphone, it sometimes manages to collect several layers of dust over the course of weeks 😆

@prahou @ozzelot
Screen time? Which apps I use the most? 🤔
My smartphone usage patterns are something like this 🤪

@m0xee @prahou I bow to you, good (honorific uninferable).

@ozzelot @prahou
I have to admit, I'm a bit of a cheater: I have my olde Lumia, which I mostly use as a remote for TV, mpv, and cmus connected to the audio system — stuff like that. I sometimes pick it up to browse Gemini pointlessly, doomscroll the RSS feeds and hang out on Fedi — but it's hardly as intrusive, the browser it has is very old, with a little CSS face lift Bloat looks neat, but most websites don't work, and there are no notifications which make you pick up the phone again.

@m0xee @ozzelot it doesn't count as a phone if it can't make phone calls.

@prahou @m0xee my iph*ne has been SIMless for the better part of a year now. Loophole!

Ozzelot

@prahou @m0xee (pseudo ipod touches are still dark devices, though, and i should be wary of my next steps with it - but it is small, by today's standards! where am i gonna find an android like that?)

@prahou @m0xee It all seemed so innocent once
(well, google still had an obvious grip)

@prahou @m0xee I should have rejected the premise there and then, but I was a mere ocekitten and wanted to seem progressive. Only now I know progress for mankind and progress for technology are greatly divergent paths.

@ozzelot @m0xee you can't become a luddite if you're a luddite from the start!

@prahou @m0xee I was some sort of dumbass technocentrist :'D

@ozzelot @m0xee I think we all were at one point or another. That's how they get you.

@prahou @m0xee I think being in a technological company full of them has only pushed me further into disliking their approach. Oh the stories I could (and at sufficient entropy, do) tell...

@ozzelot @m0xee computers make farmers of every IT person eventually.

@prahou @m0xee And when even somewhat mainstream music producers talk their heart out about wanting to leave Windows (and not for Mac, either), you know it's really a pretty fukin bad OS.

"computers make farmers of every IT person eventually."

stop preaching, also how much does a goat cost ?

CC: @ozzelot@mstdn.social @m0xee@librem.one

the land for the goat thats where they get you. @prahou @pkw @ozzelot

@pkw @ozzelot @m0xee today i dreamt that i had a magic goat.....

I was in my childhood home with my mother, who was sick. She was in her bed, but she was building computer circuit boards with a screwdriver. She kept demanding I refill her wine which she was drinking from a medieval helmet.

Suddenly there apperead a door in the shape of the chesire cat. There was a key in the lock. I was intriqued, but didn't know what was behind it. I grabbed onto the key. Through a small gap in the doorframe I saw a goat. Immediately I turned the key to open the door, knowing it was the goat from the mastodon thread. It entered the room.

Inside the home, the goat immediately began playing with a dog. I think it was my mother's, but I didn't recognize it. I began thinking about the technicalities of owning a goat in the big city and whether it could be trained to use cats' litter box.

After a while I noticed the goat was gone. I rushed outside into the streets, looking for it. Fortunately I found it. It was just walking around, checking out the neighborhood, stopping by buildings every now and then to read who lived where. At this point the goat was wearing a beanie with holes for its tiny horns.

What does it mean?

so many possible meanings ...

maybe:

helmet and beanie ...

wine in helmet -> the goat is like the wine in the helmet, but it's in a beanie.

Which is for outside, and also not for war or for defense. Also it's cute. (i assume)
So instead of drinking wine at a computer LIKE OUR PARENTS before us
THAT ARE SICKE
go outside and play with goat and look for good neighbors!


CC: @ozzelot@mstdn.social @m0xee@librem.one

@prahou You are under a lot of pressure right now. That dream was a "scapegoat".

(Duck I'm good at this ..)

@pkw @ozzelot @m0xee

@prahou @m0xee @ozzelot Is it?

I got more into computers from fiction that basically had anticorporatism, anticapitalism and hacktivism (and a lot of other types too) at their core. (So yeah, cyberpunk & post-cyberpunk mostly.)

The notion of getting a job was only ever to pay the bills, I didn't trust corporate work to ever make a positive mark on the world. I planned on having to make up for that in my free time.

As for luddites, a fun quote of @pluralistic on luddites "Person who goes beyond asking what technology does, to asking who it does it for and who it does it to." (https://pluralistic.net/2023/02/07/full-stack-luddites/#subsidiarity) (ahistorical technophobia is missing the point)
pluralistic.netPluralistic: The Collective Intelligence Institute (07 Feb 2023) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

@lispi314 @pluralistic @ozzelot @m0xee

I wasn't talking about jobs. I was talking about being young and impressionable and thinking tech is the shit and that you must own it all and use it for everything all day everyday and how you convince yourself that's cool and necessary.

Your milage probably varies in this regard.

No comment on luddism.

@prahou @m0xee @ozzelot @pluralistic > I was talking about being young and impressionable and thinking tech is the shit and that you must own it all and use it for everything all day everyday and how you convince yourself that's cool and necessary.

I think growing up on the poorer end of the scale inoculated me against that (beyond the skepticism of my influences), in that I had to very carefully consider whether it was actually worth it (couldn't just buy anything or all the things). The overwhelming majority of the time, it wasn't.

Now I know in retrospect I could also have had a lot of cool stuff if I'd bought used/refurbished but that stuff also isn't what the media tried to push as "cool and trendy".