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Kevin Karhan :verified:

@Natanox @dvzrv PRECISELY...

Ask @fuchsiii how often broke itself with updates...

Not to mention that this is a No-Go for anyone who needs to rely on a system and actually do work with it.

like , and even @ubuntu got that big because they avoid that shit and offer commercial support.

This is why noone I know of uses on Desktop in it's basic form, but always some that adds quality-of-life features like , including .

@Natanox @dvzrv @fuchsiii @ubuntu In that sense, feels even less production-ready than -Distros like the which I think is just a - hate cult but hey it's their freedom to waste time and resources on that...

@kkarhan @Natanox @fuchsiii @ubuntu I frankly disagree as I don't have that kind of experience with Arch at all.
I have been using it for everything I do for many years 🤷
Are there issues from time to time due to drivers, the Linux kernel, some upstreams breaking things? Sure! But that is mostly because vendors don't care about the platform and upstreams often do not test well either :)
Is that a problem for my workflow? Not really and it is part of what makes Arch great for me tbh.

@dvzrv @kkarhan @Natanox @fuchsiii @ubuntu
I've used arch as main since about 2013, have it as my "server" running a public facing site in container, and locally as other things, and a pacman/aur auto-update script on said server (I host my own aur repo for local mchines), never fails. Had same install on this laptop since 2016 (moving from multiple devices). I just don't get the issues other people seem to get. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@angrylinus @dvzrv @Natanox @fuchsiii @ubuntu Maybe you just seem very lucky or your setup isn't using bleeding-edge hardware fresh from the assembly line...

@kkarhan @angrylinus @Natanox @fuchsiii @ubuntu my main machine had recent hardware when I bought and installed it.
Apart from the #amdgpu issues that I ran into with it (went on for two Kernel minor versions and I tried *a lot* to bisect that issue, without success), I have been largely pain free on this machine though.

The GPU issue anyone with that hardware will run into with those two kernel minor versions though (a lot of people on various distributions tried to patch it without success).

@kkarhan @angrylinus @Natanox @fuchsiii @ubuntu That being said: I believe it can indeed be pure luck depending on hardware.

Had an XPS13, where the iGPU didn't work without crash for half a year. The camera still doesn't work because of a binary blob system of the vendor (that is what #libcamera is trying to solve).

It makes a lot of sense to scout hardware up front and not buy the latest and greatest (support will mostly just suck).

@dvzrv @Natanox @fuchsiii @ubuntu I mean, I don't deny being a good distro for some and their applications.

I just think it's not something I'd use in corporate or for a " " / " " Desktop setup...

@kkarhan @Natanox @fuchsiii @ubuntu That sounds about right.

Unless you create a system with it, that is based on image based updates with a narrow scope (e.g. see SteamOS).