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@kkarhan
You can, of course, express your opinion about #Devuan - even if it's based on wrong facts. Devuan supports not only SysVinit but also more modern init systems like OpenRC, runit and soon s6 and nobody says something about keeping sysvinit forever.

But for someone who says something about "colorful diversity" in the profile, arguing against diversity in this area seems a little bit ... strange.

@Haydar Your reply is unprofessional as it completely misses the point:

Technological diversity is important, but in the case of #Devuan, it's just a #SystemD hategrooming cult and the time, personmel hours and resources wasted in it couldve otherwise be invested in making #Linux in general a better platform.

This is why noone - not even the most hardcore anti-capitalist & commercial distro haters I know use Devuan: It's just a worse #Debian!

@Haydar splaining like this and ignorant refusal to accept common standards is only harming #Linux as a whole, with the result that it makes software support harder due to unnecessary fracturization into incompatible nieches.

It's the same #bullshit that killed commercial #Unix and caused tue binaryblob abominations of #WindowsNT and #WindowsServer to reign the server market.

https://social.tchncs.de/@Haydar/110023788969479953

@Haydar
Or are you that dellusional to expect devs to support yet another services subsystem?

Yet another init system??

Or to even waste the time to implement a testing routine for some distro that at best has less than 0,1% market share among linux distros???

I'd rather support #Solaris, #AIX & #zOS instead of even thinking about non-#systemd #Linux distros.

@Haydar In fact, it would rather make sense to use #Snap due to #Ubuntu's market share - tho I think #Flatpak is better for #Desktop apps and that for simple one-file executeables, #AppImage would be fine if it was.actually managed and updated via a pckage manager....

So no, "doing things different for the sake of different" is just bullshit and #Devuan is as unnecessary as making square wheels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIN8Q_4iaxU

@Haydar the whole anti-#SystemD #hategrooming #cult is just cringe and it stems from a development mentality that is basically pushed by inflated egos.

Just because you could make a non-systemd #Debian #distro doesn't mean you should.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nz8YrCC9X8&t=115

But the time and money wasted will be valuable life lessions for everyone involved in it.

@Haydar Unlike migrating people and businesses from #Windows and #macOS to #Linux there is no added benefit in cringeworthy hatemongering not just against #SystemD but it's core maintainer, by the #Devuan project.

In fact, I'd call this just as #ValueRemoving and toxic as #FSF personnel and #Stallman fans mobbing peoole for not using #GPLv3.

All that time and money wasted could've been instead invested in fixing actual issues!!!

@Haydar So noone will support non-#SystemD #Linux - espechally not 3rd parties that may or may not require or produce CCSS since not everyone will be able to FLOSS their code simply due to the fact that IP and patents exist.

I mean, what's next?
You gonna expect me to try Gentoo/Hurd and make it work with LaunchD??

Sorry, but life's too short to do that and at the the end of the day, I've to setup systems that are maintainable and not rely on toxic lock-in as a "job security".

@Haydar #TLDR: #Linux has a ton of issues, but #SystemD is not even remotely a problem...

But feel free to waste your time hating on something wrong for even wronger reasons instead of making the entire platform better.

Cuz Microsoft and Apple do at least get that shit right - even tho their OSes and espechally SaaS are just legalese timebombs and not good at all.

@kkarhan Yeah, once I learned the commands, I didn't have any problems switching to systemd... I do remember reading articles about the pros and cons between sysVinit and systemd. I think it really just boils down to an ideological debate, and unfortunately systemd is faster so it won out as the default on most distributions. Honestly though, I think you can still run sysVinit in Arch and Gentoo (if one were so inclined).

@berkough Personally, I'd not he against switching an init system if that made sense.

#SysVinit was slow af with boot times in the minutes.
#SystemD retained compatibility yet removed the slow linearity by parallelization.

Just like #Wayland won as #X11 / #Xorg successor whilst also providing compatibility.

What I think would be interesting is what @fuchsiii suggested to me:
A "slimmed down" #systemd for #embedded and #minimalist systems.
I called that "#smolD"…

@kkarhan @fuchsiii The bloat is he number one argument against systemd.... But that's just software in the modern era. Everything we run is unnecessarily large in size. I'm sure it could be put on a diet and still function the way we expect.

@berkough @fuchsiii but let's face it: In the end, users don't care what they use.

All they care about is that they can do what they want and get their job done.

As @tantacrul pointed out at the very beginning of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3wEC6Fj_8

And for me, the change to #systemd was without any suffering whatsoever and had a net positive in the form of it's services system & #journalctl to make troubleshooting easier and faster.