"Federating with Meta will be fine, we have no actual plans for *preventing* damage but each instance will totally yeet each individual Threads account involved in the mass-scale brigading instigated by e.g. Libs of TikTok *after* they start terrorizing our users" is gonna be a disaster for very specific groups of users.
I can see how this maybe makes sense to people who have never been the target of persistent mass abuse for just existing, but if your whole strategy once an Instagram-scale brigade kicks off is to stay reactive, you're planning to use your trans/queer/Black/high-viz users as ablative shielding.
Last thing before I put my phone in a drawer, if your instance has a policy to defederate from fedi instances that don’t moderate abuse and they don’t defederate from Threads if (when) Threads fails to moderate abuse, you might consider acting up.
@kissane Decentralized rapid-response barn door closers.
@kissane This is why we write server rules, isn't it? That way it's not a decision specific to how big or who the instance is. You just do what you said you would do, or take your server rules down.
@carrideen The “too big to defederate” explanation is already in my replies
@kissane Worth remembering also: the ablative shield burns away, but the fire keeps coming.
"…and then they came for me."
@kissane Yeah with very very few exceptions everyone still not getting it is the kind of people who never have experience harassment in their lives.
@kissane yes, "we'll let the SUVs roll over the bridge and then ban them the minute the bridge breaks" is not a plan.
@kissane thank you for this helpful observation about the harassment / moderation consequences of federating with Meta.
It's helping me think more clearly about about my contribution to our server's discussion about whether to federate or not.
@kissane It definitely will. That’s why I decided to join only instances that officially already decided not to federate with Meta.
The wait and see approach will not work because they’re really too big to defederate. And single accounts vetting is not a strategy, it’s wishful thinking.
@kissane There needs to be a leverage campaign now, that Facebook is going to be a lot more blocked than folks are already planning unless they delete the egregious abuse directing accounts like LoT before they open up AP.
@kissane no you yeet the server as soon as they start the abusive behaviour, so all the people who weren't involved have a chance to make connections, they suddenly can't reach, because threads is failing to live up to moderation standards.
@kissane, does it make sense to see whether Meta has effective and responsive abuse handing? I don’t expect that it will, but perhaps some admins are willing see who Meta handles abuse reports before defederating.
I’m not opposed to preemptive blocking, but I’m not opposed to seeing whether they get their abuse handing in order, either.
If I were an admin, I would consider both options.