Thread: About Windows 11's high system requirements. You know, a lot of blind people, who don't have jobs, live on social security and disability money, and who definitely don't have the newest computers, won't get Windows 11. This could have been a great chance for Linux to step up and say loud and proud "Because we support every person's ability to choose their system, and use and learn about computers, we will never force upon users what system they must run. And because we stand proudly with people with disabilities, all blind people are welcome in the world of free and open source software, where they can learn and create just like everyone else."

But no. Gnome, one of the most popular desktops on Linux, is trash with accessibility. KDE is working on it, but that'll take years. Who's ever heard of Mate? And who makes current software for the command line, for users and not other developers?

Also, it's not enough that Gnome is trash, or KDE is slowly trying, or the command line is mainly for developers. When a user installs Linux and needs assistive technology, like Orca, they can't just enable it and go on their way. They have to check a box in settings to "enable" assistive technologies. That's a huge barrier, and shouldn't exist. But it does. Another roadblock. Why do these exist in a supposed welcoming community? Why do these exist if Linux is open to all? Why? If FOSS is communal, why are blind people, due to the huge barrier of entry, shut out of the FOSS OS? These are hard questions we should be working through. Why does the GUI require assistive technology support to be enabled in order for Orca to work with many apps? Why can't it be enabled by default? Does it slow stuff down? If so, why? And should we have to live with a slower OS because we're blind?

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@devinprater Setup should START with a screen reader! And there shoudl eb an option to turn it OFF and not ON.

@foreverxml @devinprater
I'm play devils advocate here... have you tried suggesting that to the gnome people? I've been able to see all my life and these problems might seem obvious to someone but definitely not to me.

I would say that Linux has the ability to receive contribs from a far larger audience (and hence a larger audience of visually impaired people), but we need these people to be willing to contribute, not act all pissed on some random social.

@foreverxml @devinprater
I have to partially reconsider my position here. I still think that opening an issue was the right move but:
1 - one person in the issue comments tried to say that having the screen reader on by default "would be awkward", despite you explaining the reasoning behind it. This is like saying that you don't want ramps next to stairs because you might feel awkward walking at an angle.
2- the issue was marked duplicate of a 2yo issue.

@foreverxml Definitely. Or at least a spoken message That a screen reader can be turned on, and a keyboard command given. But no, on all mainstream distros, a blind user must figure out from somewhere that Super+Alt+S or Super+Alt+O turns on Orca, if Orca is even in the installer. If the installer is even accessible.

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