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I HAVE MOVED @feditips Fanatics chasing fanatics.
I suppose they could be asked if the rumour is true?
@mkarliner @feditips NDAs mean they can't legally say if it is
@feditips i dont care if facebook will implement the activitypub protocolls into their servers. why should talk be a problem?
@eric_maechler @feditips they might want to try "embrace, extend, and extinguish" tacticts
you can't protect users from their own stupidity. if they prefer to live under an overlord - their choice.
i personally love this decentralised server structure but i sometimes wonder why it's so complicated. especially finding interesting discussion outside your own bubble is hard. :P
i think this new world here will continue to develop and remain exciting - but if it doesn't convince people they will leave - half to the overlord zuckerberg
@feditips There is nothing wrong with non-public talks. The way the fediverse is setup even hostile actions make the creation of a new mainline federation possible. But I really do not see that happening.
The Fediverse is supposed to be an open place with transparency about its development and funding. That's why so many people give time and money to it freely.
NDAs are the opposite of transparent, they legally tie the hands of people who sign them and in this case it's purely for the benefit of Meta/Facebook.
@feditips Transparency in development, its direction and funding is not in danger. NDAs are everywhere, from nefarious reasons to implicit agreements in social circumstances. At no point we are entitled to know about every single talk the developers hold.
Total exclusion of NDAs for talks would foster a toxic environment, because none could take place with commercial providers.
Contracts with Meta under NDA? That would be a problem.
@feditips@mstdn.social @assegaia@mastodon.online The worst an NDA can do is restrict the people who signed it from using the knowledge they gained under the NDA in ways not allowed by the NDA. I really think it won't be possible to get enough people to sign NDAs that it could seriously impact the development of all the Fediverse software out there.
An NDA can't break the current ActivityPub standard and prevent software currently using it. The WORST that could happen is anyone signing the NDA could be prevented from working on open source again, and anyone stupid enough to sign that kind of agreement shouldn't be working on Fediverse software.
@feditips The word #Speechless, can’t even explain how 
I am at hearing this news…
Seems like we're just spreading rumors right now.
@stpaultim @feditips agreed. Why should we accept the word of whomever is on the other end of feditips on this rumors authenticity? Which "devs" in question? Aren't their names known? Which ones are suspected and what is the basis of the suspicion?
@feditips fediverse developers need to pay or their shoes too. Devs are under no obligation to share your personal values. I bet Meta pays more than Buy Me a Cofeee does.
The devs and admins didn't do this on their own, they are supported by a massive amount of good will, donations and voluntary work.
(It's like Reddit recently claiming it created all the data on Reddit: no it didn't, it was all the users and volunteers who did that.)
@feditips There are also entitled to take jobs, for money, from any company they so choose, on account of, you know - freedom. They owe nothing.
Spread facts, not rumor
I'm not talking about someone taking jobs somewhere.
I'm only talking about their role as being in charge of a public good that was built with volunteer labour and donations.
It is immoral to treat something built with volunteer labour as your asset.
@feditips Just because there may or may not have been a discussion between private individuals and Meta that involved an NDA doesn’t mean they’re selling Mastodon’s (already public) data.
@feditips We may need to defederate mastodon.social, we should not use lemmy, nobody in the fediverse should talk to Meta... Apart from tips you give quite strong opinions.
I do these Fediverse accounts because I saw the effect Meta/Facebook was having on human rights. I want to support an alternative that doesn't have the same drawbacks.
I'm not doing tech support for the fun of it.
@feditips IMO giving tips is admirable but mixing them with strong opinions is questionable. But that's just my opinion.
@feditips damn those articles you've linked shine a grim light on facebook.
@feditips The fact that the Fediverse is open means that anyone can have discussions with anyone else about it, with whatever level of secrecy that they desire. If it wasn't supposed to be that way then it shouldn't have been released with open licensing and no controls.
Personally, I think good things could come of a behemoth like Meta adopting ActivityPub standards. Also bad things. We'll have to see what comes of it, I just don't want to prejudge.
@feditips Volunteering on an OSS project for a while does not suddenly mean you can no longer accept a job by any of the top paying employers on the planet.
@feditips well I guess that's the thing about rumored "Secret Discussions", isn't it.
Maybe it means some dude that worked on Mastodon core needs to eat so talks to meta about a job.
Maybe it means John Mastodon and Zuckerberg are partnering on web 4.0.
Maybe it means something else entirely.
Maybe it never happened at all.
Regardless of what really did happen, if anything - my point, is that this is not a "fediverse tip", this is fediverse noise.
Indignant Gossip.
You did not. Lots of people think that making money equals being good. They can't argue within a larger context so they reduce everything to that. They ultimately have no ethical objection to power being used for self-advantage and the concomitant marginalization of others. (As long as they're not one of the others, of course.)
Is there any evidence that Rochko is unable to afford shoes? Isn't that the most important question? So important. Let's sealion our way into discussing that not-the-topic, shall we?
Instead of talking about a realistic fear that Meta might overwhelm the Fediverse and those with the most influence within it might get bought off and sell the rest of us out.
You know, the sort of thing that has happened in real life over and over and over again.
There has also always been someone smugly cheering the folks that fucked everyone else and got paid.
@swordplay @feditips yes, you're right. I'm clearly the asshole in this.
There's no evidence of anything at all, which is why this conversation is wholly pointless.
There has always been someone whining and crying no matter what you do or don't do. It doesn't matter. Outrage.
Nobody owes you, and I suspect your opinion is the last thing core devs talking to meta care about.
"Paying for your shoes" is an expression for making a living.
Grow up.
@feditips Sadly money talks.
@feditips is the similar to the silly/stupid rumor that Lemmy is run by fascists ? Seems to me there are a lot of rumors out there right now. Just don’t buy into that crap.
There wasn't a "rumour" about Lemmy.
There are lots of disturbing things going on on the Lemmy developers' servers.
You don't have to take my word for this. I can DM you receipts if you want.
@feditips The #fediverse concept, as it has taken off over the past 12 months, is still new. We are going to get bad projects/devs, bad admins and bad communities for a while until it has bedded in.
It's a case of using the open protocol & distributed nature to react to the usual human BS/greed/power hunger rather than trying to prevent it, which would be a fruitless endeavour.
I suspect it will take a year or two before we start to see a stable fediverse community of communities emerge.
@LunaDragofelis @feditips yes. I'm specifically talking about what it is currently evolving into (over the past 12 months) as it has seen massive growth that will affect the stability in both technical and non-technical ways.
I suspect an NDA about what Meta are planning is inevitable.
An NDA about the fediverse would be intolerables
@feditips followed this account to get tips and tricks about the fediverse, not see gossip being spread.
This is also a bad take in general. It would be unwise for an organization like this to NOT have talks with social media giants. Without discussion, there can be no understanding. Even if the understanding is “we will not support you,” that should be handled with civility, not by bluntly closing the door. And of course there would be an NDA for this type of meeting.
@feditips so Meta probably started worrying about their profits too. 99% of meta users use basic features of FB/WA/IG which are now easily replicated by fediverse apps.
It's going to be fun, I'd be interested in accessing FB groups with a fediverse account.
@feditips Isn't the whole point of the fediverse that it's decentralized and thereby less vulnerable to this kind of thing? If eg Lemmy were to get zucked, wouldn't we just collectively shrug and migrate?
@feditips Please don't damage your reputation by rumor mongering. If you know something for a fact, please let us know. If you have only heard things secondhand or thirdhand, perhaps it is better not to attack the reputations of admins and spread fear without any evidence.
@feditips Lacking technical means to keep Meta from starting a service running #activitypub you're going to have to rely on social means. I actually think Meta starting one is a good thing. I mean, let's see if #decentralization does what people say it does, right?
@alastair87 @feditips I think that's a reasonable comparison, and deliverability of email from personal mailservers has been severely affected. What I don't see yet is what problem #P92 is trying to solve the way Gmail solved full inboxes and spam filtering.
