What’s funny about my experience with the app is that not long after criticizing the governance and ownership structure I was booted off the app lol. Literally the same kind of behavior people are worried about with

Which perfectly demonstrates why needs to be democratically owned and governed. Twitter should be nationalized, not privately owned by one dude.


I asked a couple of really mild questions on twitter, I wasn't even suspicious, just looking for some reassurance, and the guy got really defensive and insulted me and blew me off.
I glad because I really hadn't done my homework there.

@billyjoebowers lol definitely jives with my experience. Sounds like he’s going to do a great job of running a social media site….


It was weird, I didn't even ask him, he came into my feed and said "hey it's my site, ask me anything" so I asked about the interface, and made some comment about wondering who was in charge of it, and he went weird.
Did me a favor.
After that I learned a little more.

@billyjoebowers apparently questions about who’s running things over there Are Not Allowed™️


I don't want to trash on the guy too much, because I really don't know. But I wasn't comfortable with it.

I think a lot of people run into wanting to have a public facing service and encouraging everyone to use it, but also don't want to be questioned and want everything their way.

@billyjoebowers oh I’m fine with trashing on the guy. He sucks. But the extent that any social media can be good is dependent on ownership and governance by the users & employees

@NothingAndTrash the guy in charge is an anti-trump resister conservative who supported george zimmermann, tells you all you need to know really

@NothingAndTrash apparently after a bunch of other instances started defederating from countersocial because he unilaterally blocked traffic from a bunch of countries that are "enemies of america" he just forked mastodon altogether and it looks even worse

@leonidas yeah I didn’t realize that until after I signed up but man, the people on that app are bananas. Just nonstop neoliberal cringe. Like just insane, unhinged stuff lol

@NothingAndTrash i remember when it first got started around the height of #resist twitter, it's like a time capsule full of the worst that era had to offer

@NothingAndTrash I know there’s been massive outages but I think he’s dubious anyway. Blocked me on Twitter when I tried to raise this with him. And I’ve seen other people blocked for bringing up his past right wing, transphobic and racist tweets. He says he’s changed but won’t clarify with people, just blocks.

@NothingAndTrash My mother thought of joining #countersocial. I was able to get her to pause that based on just the few things I heard from when CS defederated.
What is the governance and ownership structure at CS actually?

@mathlover2 I should have done my homework on it beforehand. The closest I got to answer before having my account suspended was sole ownership and control by the jester hacker guy. He apparently has unilaterally blocked access to the site from Russia, China, and some other places. The site itself is nothing but neoliberal Twitter resisters and it’s……*quite* an experience. Some really unhinged stuff.

@NothingAndTrash Oh my. I recall him blocking IP addresses from 6 countries, but the unilateral control by one person and the audience of unhinged people is concerning.
How unhinged are we talking about? Is it "cryptocurrency isn't just a scam, but a fascist plot involving Nina Turner and AOC" levels of unhinged, or something even dumber/stranger/otherwise worse?

@NothingAndTrash For the record, I got that nonsense crypto take from an article by a certain "Dave Troy" my mother got from Twitter and sent to me after finding it "fascinating". I then (successfully!) explained to her exactly what was wrong with the article.

@mathlover2 what I saw was more mundane than that. Mostly an obsession with surface-level politics (trump), but my criticisms of how CS was being run was met with some pretty serious hostility by random users. Which is just funny and ironic.

@NothingAndTrash Sounds like I was right to warn my mother away from there.
According to some old chats I found, when #countersocial defederated they told some egregious lies about the Fediverse and the AGPL to their members.

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